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Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:13 am to
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:13 am to
So make an assumption and go with it as the basis for your opinion on the main topic if you have one. He either misspoke or his org has outdated expense policies. Seems like a small picture/bug picture thing here.

This is not an entry into battle. We both understand what each of us is saying, I believe.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11663 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:27 am to
Just wait until he buys a client a hooker for his birthday and leases him a suite for his wife’s favorite musical act. Sometimes you gotta get dirty and look the other way.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
3143 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:28 am to
Piss him off by bitching about his spending. Your CC bill will go down. He’s probably bringing in enough business to cover his and everyone’s company CC bills. Once he moves over to your competitor, you can cry bc y’all didn’t make your “numbers”. Cut the other’s spending and maybe a few of them. Get lean and mean. Meanwhile, over at your competitor, dude will spend the same, bring in more for them, and they’ll have the bragging rights of stealing one of your best employees.

Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. Rules are rules, until following them hurts financially. Rules are also rules, until they hinder your best performers performance. Reminds me of a place I worked once. Always on call, did some nights for projects, and always stayed past quitting time. Office manager was a stickler for being there at 8, regardless. Bounced out of there after two years, CFO was very upset I was leaving. Promised to make sure stupid shite like that didn’t get in the way of me producing at the level I produced. Told him the damage was already done and the new place is offering way more than they could offer. Without the clock wardens help in running me out, I would have stuck around and never looked for anything better.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30573 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:31 am to
Wait till he drops 10k on blow and strippers.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33152 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:32 am to
Sounds like he's testing you. I'd talk with him about it. If he's worth it, make up a presentation showing the revenue he's brought in, and see if the company might raise his limit. Be ready for the owner to say, "We pay him well already."

At one point, a company I worked for set limits on how much I could spend on customers. It wasn't a per diem. It was a limit that I could spend out of my own pocket. It was part of some ethics BS. I ignored it, and bought my best customers their favorite alcoholic beverages for Christmas, like I had always done.

I had no ethics. I've negotiated credit for an ad with the wrong information, while my customer was getting a dance from two sisters, on me, at a gentleman's club.

ETA:
This thread makes me miss working, and some of the pleasures DFW offers.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:36 am
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:34 am to
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We have per diem rules in place for everyone ($125 a day) and he really just ignores them completely.



then simply tell him you are deducting anything over $125 from his pay, AND THEN DO THAT

problem solved

you are the problem here for not enforcing policy, not him
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:35 am
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:39 am to
Are there some days where he doesn’t touch or even get close to the $125 a day per diem to where there is money left in the allowance budget? Say one day he spends $25 dollars only. My suggestion is to look at his expenses for a month, come to a decision afterwards. There is an average of 19-22 billing days/working days in a month. Take the lower number of 19 days x $125 a day allowance = $2,375 per month. See if he is somewhere around that target. It’s really left up to you what to do next. You’ll have to decide if that allowance is used for only entertaining the customers or if the employee is allowed to treat himself occasionally. It may be a good explanation for him doing that. If he busts his butt and gets after it, there may be days where he doesn’t even take a lunch because he is so committed to his work. Those are questions you need to find out.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 11:49 am
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22465 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:51 am to
Casual private convo. Not a scolding.

Just say "Dial it back a little bit, please. You're gonna get me in trouble." with a smile. That lets him know you're watching, and it matters.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82042 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 11:54 am to
quote:

"Hey man, I don't mind you treating yourself every now and then since you have earned it, but try to keep most of the meals within the per diem limit."
This seems like a very easy thing to say
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31306 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:25 pm to
Tell him to cut that shite out or risk losing his P Card
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
898 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:34 pm to
Take away the company card and switch to a per diem. He gets $125 added to his check per day of travel for food and incidentals. Whatever he doesn’t spend is his to keep. He gets to use his own card and collect more points. company card then becomes client entertainment only.

Problem solved. He’ll be happy and you keep your budget intact. I can tell you from experience that my dinner expenses went WAY down when I got to keep the money. Went from eating steak and booze to water and Cava bowls.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
13890 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:34 pm to
The top producer needs that extra $125 to get that Tinder slut in the mood and it adds a little pep in his step the next day when he's talking to clients.
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21078 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:39 pm to
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Rules are there to limit the losses of losers. Winners bend them to win the game


you should still discuss it to make sure he understands the game

it's a slippery slope ... people who push boundaries will keep pushing until someone pushes back ... heck he might even respect you for it even if you let it go
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98736 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Take away the company card and switch to a per diem. He gets $125 added to his check per day of travel for food and incidentals. Whatever he doesn’t spend is his to keep. He gets to use his own card and collect more points. Problem solved. He’ll be happy and you keep your budget intact. I can tell you from experience that my dinner expenses went WAY down when I got to keep the money. Went from eating steak and booze to water and Cava bowls.


If I’m the top producer and I’m used to $250 meals and you limit me to $125 a day then I’m going produce for the competition
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120003 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:45 pm to
What has a bigger impact? Him charging $250 at a high end steak house or firing him?

I don't know if the other employees see how much each other charges, etc.. But just have a talk with him, ask him about it.

You don't want him to get too comfortable being able to charge more than he should, but you don't want to make a big deal about it if he does it from time to time. Just let him know you are aware of it. It shouldn't be something that you have to ask a message board how to handle it.
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
898 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:47 pm to
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f I’m the top producer and I’m used to $250 meals and you limit me to $125 a day then I’m going produce for the competition


I’d tell you to get back to me when you find a company willing to take on that bill. Unless you’re a Csuite executive, and even then I have my doubts, NO company is going to give their people $250 meals on a normal basis anymore. That is ludicrous. Maybe a 1 time deal as a reward or something but during normal travel, not a chance. That kind of wasteful stuff got phased out long ago. And again, this is SOLO travel. Client entertainment is a different deal.

Besides - how anyone could eat that expensive of a meal on a normal basis even if it was free is beyond me. Your gut probably shows it.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36444 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:53 pm to
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Besides - how anyone could eat that expensive of a meal on a normal basis even if it was free is beyond me. Your gut probably shows it.


Have you ever been to a nice steakhouse?
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:56 pm to
Yeah, you can drop $250 on a bottle of wine and it's nowhere near the most expensive bottle on the list.
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
898 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

Have you ever been to a nice steakhouse?


Yes I have and the bill can easily get that high. I think it’s dumb as hell since I can cook just as good a steak at home but to each his own.

Regardless of the cost, can you really eat a $70 steak and heavy sides/wine every night?
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
898 posts
Posted on 6/28/22 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

you can drop $250 on a bottle of wine and it's nowhere near the most expensive bottle on the list.


The key here is that this is NOT HIS MONEY. Hes spending the business owners money on ridiculous stuff. Justifying it by saying he could have spent more if he tried is besides the point.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 4:01 pm
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