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re: How open are you to driverless vehicles on the roads?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:53 am to Napoleon
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:53 am to Napoleon
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I still think we see automated trucking before we see automated passenger cars.
Which would be great, but what about those random backroads those trucks need to go on from time to time? Or that instant they need to steer around a pothole or something else in the road? Or how are they going to account for the ice conditions on roads in the mountains?
They'd have to account for a lot. Its a ways away for sure.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:09 am to Asgard Device
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there will STILL be a disincentive to live in far flung suburbs because instead of having mostly fixed costs associated with car transportation you will now pay PER MILE which means that families who live out in the burbs are going to have to pay $300 to $1000 more a month depending on how far out and what the rates are.
So you're trying to tell me that if I need to drive a little further, it's going to cost me a little more? How is this any different than what we do now with using gas to get around?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:15 am to TDawg1313
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So you're trying to tell me that if I need to drive a little further, it's going to cost me a little more? How is this any different than what we do now with using gas to get around?
Are you serious? There's fixed costs baked into car ownership. Your car note and insurance doesnt triple when you drive three times as much.
With autonomous vehicles it will be completely linear based on miles traveled.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:56 am to Asgard Device
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Are you serious? There's fixed costs baked into car ownership. Your car note and insurance doesnt triple when you drive three times as much.
With autonomous vehicles it will be completely linear based on miles traveled.
Right now the standard charge rate/mile is $.54 for personal car mileage LINK
I drive about 2000 miles per month. My fixed cost for my car loan is about $200/month. My variable cost using the standard charge rate is $1080. Sure there's a fixed cost involved, but it's not even 20% of the cost of my monthly gas and maintenance costs. The statement of "having mostly fixed costs associated with car transportation" is inaccurate.
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which means that families who live out in the burbs are going to have to pay $300 to $1000 more a month depending on how far out and what the rates are.
The Nissan Leaf costs 3.5 cents/mile to operate. Let's be ultra-conservative and multiply that by 10 to get what a company could charge someone to use that as a driverless vehicle (I expect the cost/mile to operate a driverless car to be even less than that when these are ready). Now if I use that for every mile I drive, it's going to cost me $700/month, which is $380/month less than what I currently pay. Factor in that a starter home within 10 miles of my work is about $600,000 compared to about $350,000 if I go about 30 miles away from work and my cost savings will be pretty big once driverless cars become prevalent.
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there will STILL be a disincentive to live in far flung suburbs because instead of having mostly fixed costs associated with car transportation
The only disincentive will be commuting time, but I believe that there will be a cost benefit to living further away.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:59 am to siliconvalleytiger
Everyone that has a driverless vehicle should be required to put their dog in the driver seat just to frick with other people
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:02 am to TDawg1313
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The Nissan Leaf costs 3.5 cents/mile to operate
I can't take you seriously. So if I get a Nissan Leaf and commute 3 miles to work every day then my total cost of ownership will be $77 a year?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:12 am to siliconvalleytiger
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driverless vehicles
no unnecessary braking (ie rubber necking)
Friday I was stuck on 10 east because of a 3 car accident on 10 west......backed up for 4 miles
I would love to have driver data to see whom was braking to look over("delta" car in front distance vs "delta" car behind distance....etc). Find the type of people who rubber neck and take a baseball bat to their heads.....for the betterment of humanity.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:13 am to Asgard Device
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I can't take you seriously. So if I get a Nissan Leaf and commute 3 miles to work every day then my total cost of ownership will be $77 a year?
Nice cherry pick out of that reply.
3.5 cents/mile for electricity LINK. It's about 10 cents/mile for the average gasoline car. Multiply that by 5 to get to get close to your standard charge rate.
If you're talking total cost of ownership for a Nissan Leaf, 17.5 cents/mile is about accurate. So $385/year if you drive it as little as you mentioned.
I even went conservative and multiplied it by 10 instead of 5 in my original reply.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:24 am to lsunurse
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Everyone that has a driverless vehicle should be required to put their dog in the driver seat just to frick with other people
I think driverless cars should also have a feature where they walk your dog around the neighborhood and pick up their poop for you.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:24 pm to siliconvalleytiger
very. I think it opens up tons of possibilities. For example I could work further from downtown and just start working in the car on the way to work shortening my day or I could get off work on Friday and have the car drive us to the beach overnight and wake up saturday morning at the beach.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:29 pm to TDawg1313
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If you're talking total cost of ownership for a Nissan Leaf, 17.5 cents/mile is about accurate. So $385/year if you drive it as little as you mentioned.
You're dumb as hell. you're not taking into consideration the capex and insurance. You can't own and operate a Leaf for $385 a year. Jesus.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:35 pm to Asgard Device
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You're dumb as hell.
Says the guy who resorts to comebacks like this rather than comebacks with facts or numbers.
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you're not taking into consideration the capex and insurance.
I did, but I highly doubt you were able to glean that from what I typed.
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You can't own and operate a Leaf for $385 a year. Jesus.
Assuming it's paid off and you only drive 3 miles to work and back a day? Yes you can. I didn't include insurance, obviously.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:43 pm to OMLandshark
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I feel pretty good about it really. Much safer than some dumb teenage bimbo who drives around texting.
and old women scared of their shadow (probably know their limitations).
I have been longing for this. the worst thing about a long commute is the rubber necking that happens when some incident happens.
people are going to save a fortune in gas. all the cars will eventually be tied to master computer systems and no one will be too slow or too fast for conditions.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:58 pm to siliconvalleytiger
The only thing it can do is make my life easier, so I'm pretty excited for it.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:34 pm to TDawg1313
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Assuming it's paid off
Good grief. The business model will depend on recovering the cost of the initial purchase price through fares.
Eta and the cars will cost a lot more than the leaf due to all the onboard equipment.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:45 pm to lynxcat
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It has massive implications to our daily lives and the world economy.
It's the next big development following the internet/smartphones. It will completely change the way we live our lives.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:49 pm to dabigfella
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Then you're gonna have the issue of who is liable when accidents occur, and believe me they will. You're going to have plenty of people who don't adopt these driverless cars and they're still gonna be drinking and driving and causing accidents. They're still gonna be texting and driving and you will be in your driverless pod while these idiots go wild.
Sounds like the people who are drinking and driving or texting and driving will be liable.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:56 pm to siliconvalleytiger
It will never work on a large scale in our lifetime. There are too many situational dilemmas.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:20 pm to tiggerthetooth
I'm thinking self drive on interstate only and then the driver takes over for the surface roads.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 10:28 pm to siliconvalleytiger
There will never be driverless cars. What a terrible idea.
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