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Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:53 pm to MikeBRLA
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The patent is worthless if you cannot defend it.
Truest statement in this whole thread. I have multiple patents in two different areas. A large corporation recently expressed interest in one of my patents, when discussing potential value their VP openly stated that at a certain price they would just choose to violate my patent and I could feel free to try and drag them and their building of lawyers into court. Pissedme off but he was being honest. There is NO WAY I could take these people on and survive financially.
Watch the Greg Kinnear movie Flash of Genius about this. Some inventor got knocked off by Ford and he tried to sue them.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:55 pm to lshuge
Kearney, McWilliams & Davis in Houston
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Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:56 pm to lshuge
8 years ago, I bought a company that had a patent on one of their products.
I dont want to discourage you but the rules in the United States these days are not patent friendly. Unless there is a very clear reason to have a patent and it is explained in fine detail, your patent is usually crap and a very small change in design will allow for your patent to be avoided
If you are filing for one, it needs to be done is a very detailed sequence as well. Talk to a lawyer who specializes in patents and prepare to drop some cheddar
I dont want to discourage you but the rules in the United States these days are not patent friendly. Unless there is a very clear reason to have a patent and it is explained in fine detail, your patent is usually crap and a very small change in design will allow for your patent to be avoided
If you are filing for one, it needs to be done is a very detailed sequence as well. Talk to a lawyer who specializes in patents and prepare to drop some cheddar
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:08 pm to lshuge
I was looking into getting a patent too but it’s outlandishly expensive, has a time limit and there are so many ways to screw it up if not done professionally. Pay for it once and have peace of mind.
I can’t afford a patent right now so I looked into trademarking the name of my product, a logo as well as catch a phrase that could be associated with my product. The likelihood of me ever being able to mass produce my this is slim to none but I’m hoping that eventually someone would like to use the name or logo trademark and purchase that from me...also unlikely
I can’t afford a patent right now so I looked into trademarking the name of my product, a logo as well as catch a phrase that could be associated with my product. The likelihood of me ever being able to mass produce my this is slim to none but I’m hoping that eventually someone would like to use the name or logo trademark and purchase that from me...also unlikely

Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:09 pm to lshuge
I as well am a patent attorney, but I am unable to take in anymore clients. Most likely, depending on the subject matter, your are looking at a fee of 8-15k. I don’t know where you are located but there is a really good patent attorney in Lafayette that will shoot you straight as to a prior art search and so forth without billing you a wild fee. Make a google.
I don’t like to throw mud at fellow patent attorneys, but the person saying it is a lottery for litigation (almost discouraging you to protect your invention), probably doesn’t practice patent law as his or her primary practice. I’ve been on the prosecution and litigation side of this for awhile and I’ve never heard someone give that expert advice.
I don’t like to throw mud at fellow patent attorneys, but the person saying it is a lottery for litigation (almost discouraging you to protect your invention), probably doesn’t practice patent law as his or her primary practice. I’ve been on the prosecution and litigation side of this for awhile and I’ve never heard someone give that expert advice.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:19 pm to lshuge
Minimum 10K for a software patent. I’m an investor in a software start up and that’s been the average cost. The company has filed 3 so far.
They started with a provisional to secure the idea. You have a year from the date of submission to file a patent.
Search the uspto website. You’ll be surprised what has been patented already.
They started with a provisional to secure the idea. You have a year from the date of submission to file a patent.
Search the uspto website. You’ll be surprised what has been patented already.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:20 pm to lshuge
Depends on the patent but could take many thousands and many years
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:34 pm to lshuge
I used a parent agent for mine in 2002 and it cost me around $5,000.00. Like the barrister said, it’s a million to one shot and if you catch lighting in a bottle you’re going to court to defend. Wouldn’t waste the money or time again IMO.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:40 pm to KemoSabe65
You got destroyed by a patent agent, that is wildly priced for what he is qualified to do. Makes me think you did very little research and are upset that you chose to go the cheapest route possible.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:44 pm to Sanchez425
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Also, if you want to be cynical about it, a patent is just a lottery ticket to litigation. That's not exactly true, but it's not exactly false either.
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I don’t like to throw mud at fellow patent attorneys, but the person saying it is a lottery for litigation (almost discouraging you to protect your invention), probably doesn’t practice patent law as his or her primary practice. I’ve been on the prosecution and litigation side of this for awhile and I’ve never heard someone give that expert advice.
Can you honestly say you disagree with his statement? He could have worded it better, but his point makes a lot of sense.
A lot of times, a patent is just a ticket to a courthouse for a fricking in perpetuity.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:45 pm to lshuge
You can file a provisional as an individual for less than $150 as a micro entity with all fees. Provisional is basically a placeholder and they don’t even open it until you file for a patent. They review the provisional so that any claims you made in provisional are time stamped back on the date you filed the provisional. New claims are not given the time stamp.
A simple patent can be filed by an individual but it is a headache and everything has to be done correctly. A simple patent filing will run $2000 to $3500 from a good patent attorney( likely a degreed Mechanical Engineer). A more complex patent... think machinery... numerous moving parts... etc will cost a hell of a lot more. There is a lot of prior art out there and this stuff is difficult to understand and interpret for most.
Patents are also only valuable if you plan on spending money to defend them. This can get expensive fast.
I personally filed 3 provisionals back in 2016 and 2017. Turned it all over to a firm in Houston called Ewing & Jones and they handled the 3 subsequent patent filings. This doesn’t include international under PTC which costs more just to hold an international time stamp. I spend about $60K-$70K a year on IP. Have 4 granted patents, 2 provisionals and 4 patent applications in now with the USPTO.
You really should speak with a proper patent lawyer because there are a number of strategies that involve filing a patent and then making a slightly néw claims in 9-12 months and it can buy you a lot of time and push out full costs until revenue starts to catch up to cover costs.
A simple patent can be filed by an individual but it is a headache and everything has to be done correctly. A simple patent filing will run $2000 to $3500 from a good patent attorney( likely a degreed Mechanical Engineer). A more complex patent... think machinery... numerous moving parts... etc will cost a hell of a lot more. There is a lot of prior art out there and this stuff is difficult to understand and interpret for most.
Patents are also only valuable if you plan on spending money to defend them. This can get expensive fast.
I personally filed 3 provisionals back in 2016 and 2017. Turned it all over to a firm in Houston called Ewing & Jones and they handled the 3 subsequent patent filings. This doesn’t include international under PTC which costs more just to hold an international time stamp. I spend about $60K-$70K a year on IP. Have 4 granted patents, 2 provisionals and 4 patent applications in now with the USPTO.
You really should speak with a proper patent lawyer because there are a number of strategies that involve filing a patent and then making a slightly néw claims in 9-12 months and it can buy you a lot of time and push out full costs until revenue starts to catch up to cover costs.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 7:03 am
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:51 pm to TSLG
Yes I can. Due to three degrees and 15 years in patent prosecution and patent litigation, maybe one of the most complicated law fields that there is.
But please share your experience.
Edit: I made the mistake thinking that you were a patent attorney and then I read your posts and realized that your a just a huge freaking moron. So way to get my response arse hat.
But please share your experience.
Edit: I made the mistake thinking that you were a patent attorney and then I read your posts and realized that your a just a huge freaking moron. So way to get my response arse hat.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:00 pm to lshuge
Write the design on paper and then physically mail it to yourself.
The postal stamp will be federally dated and if someone steals your idea you can open the letter in court to prove your case.
Trust me, I stayed at a Holiday Inn one night
The postal stamp will be federally dated and if someone steals your idea you can open the letter in court to prove your case.
Trust me, I stayed at a Holiday Inn one night
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:14 pm to lshuge
Use a self-addressed stamped envelope w/ your invention idea inside
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:19 pm to lshuge
I already got dibs on 7-minute Abs.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:57 pm to SDoolie
I only paid $6000. It was obtained relatively fast so maybe the cost were less!
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:12 pm to Poichess
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Use a self-addressed stamped envelope w/ your invention idea inside
That probably worked in the 1980’s. These days, it’s more secure to post detailed drawings with a detailed description of the product on a Popular message board, such as the OT. That way it is time/date stamped, and you have multiple witnesses to the time and date of the original posting of the idea. Just make sure not to edit your post later. Good Luck!
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:27 pm to lshuge
Depends on the tech. Anywhere from $5k-$20k to prepare the filing. This wouldn't include dealing with the likely office actions from the USPTO. That's usually a separate cost from whatever they quote you.
Patents are valuable if it's a small company or single inventor looking for investment opportunities. It's usually one of the first things they ask for. Litigating is a different animal. The patent may be worthless depending on the field (e.g. business methods) even if it's presumed valid. Attorneys' fees are often in the millions before going to trial. Contingency is rare.
Lot's of what ifs here - seek a patent attorney. Depends on your budget as well.
Patents are valuable if it's a small company or single inventor looking for investment opportunities. It's usually one of the first things they ask for. Litigating is a different animal. The patent may be worthless depending on the field (e.g. business methods) even if it's presumed valid. Attorneys' fees are often in the millions before going to trial. Contingency is rare.
Lot's of what ifs here - seek a patent attorney. Depends on your budget as well.
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