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re: How imminent is a housing crisis in this country?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:03 am to Jake88
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:03 am to Jake88
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1500 sqft. to raise the family. One TV. One, maybe 2 cars. Less frivolous with purchases.
Yeah? And what did that 1,500 square foot house cost and two cars cost in proportion to your income?
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:14 am to Bill Parker?
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I'm one and a half payments away from clearing my 30 year 3% mortgage after 19 years of payments. Worked my arse off, kids are out of the house, and I'm finally hitting my stride with my business. Obviously, I think I'm coasting to cross the River of Babylon. Wife informs me she wants a bigger house with a pool. I think that the housing crisis might be a misnomer for a marital crisis.
Tell your wife to jump in a lake.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:35 am to Fat and Happy
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It’s already a crisis now. 13-1400sq ft houses are selling for 350-400k. Plus the APR is at like 6.5%
You think this is bad just move out to the great state of FL where you also get to add on crazy homeowner policies and never ending raising of property taxes to this. So even if you did lock in that great rate a few years back the yearly escrow increase to pay for insurance/ property taxes is always going up. If you are a new homeowner with a 6.5% rate or higher then good luck getting that principle down on your new home.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:40 am to Jake88
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Boomers paid 14% at times you little no count Z'er.
Lol
Posted on 10/21/26 at 5:57 am to jcaz
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My kids are getting bunk beds. Cheaper than a new house with an extra room or two.
So just like most families did in the 70s.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:02 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
This is a horrible time to buy, depending on what and where you're buying.
By the year 2035, for the first time in this nations history, we will have more people over the age of 65 than under the age of 18.
In many instances, the Silver Tsunami will crash property values and what you buy today will not be what it's worth in 15 years. The crash won't be fast moving like 2008 but will be gradual.
You need a 15 yr mortgage on a single-level home in an economically diverse, walkable metropolitan regions to be desirable where both the aging population and future buyers want to live.
By the year 2035, for the first time in this nations history, we will have more people over the age of 65 than under the age of 18.
In many instances, the Silver Tsunami will crash property values and what you buy today will not be what it's worth in 15 years. The crash won't be fast moving like 2008 but will be gradual.
You need a 15 yr mortgage on a single-level home in an economically diverse, walkable metropolitan regions to be desirable where both the aging population and future buyers want to live.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:14 am to Gifman
You are laughing because you are ignorant.
Key Mortgage Details in 1981
• Annual Average: 16.64% for 30-year fixed-rate loans.
• Peak Rate: 18.63% in October 1981 (with some measures pointing to a monthly peak near 18.4% to 18.45%).
• Starting Rate (January 1981): Began the year around 14.95%.
• Monthly Payment Example: A $100,000 loan at roughly 18.45% resulted in a principal and interest payment of about $1,544 per month
Key Mortgage Details in 1981
• Annual Average: 16.64% for 30-year fixed-rate loans.
• Peak Rate: 18.63% in October 1981 (with some measures pointing to a monthly peak near 18.4% to 18.45%).
• Starting Rate (January 1981): Began the year around 14.95%.
• Monthly Payment Example: A $100,000 loan at roughly 18.45% resulted in a principal and interest payment of about $1,544 per month
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:17 am to nerd guy
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frick me. I haven't checked mortgage rates in a while and thought you were being sarcastic so I had to check. Current market is nuts.
We sold and moved this spring. Got a good bit of equity and paid off some debt. I’m thinking we might just rent for a little while and let the market settle before we try to buy something. I’m worried about getting stuck in an inflated rate with an inflated price that I can basically never refi. Something has got to give. People in SELA can’t afford $500k houses at 8% forever.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:24 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
What’s worrisome is realtors have been telling buyers the last few years to buy now and refinance when rates go down in a few years. Well they aren’t. How many people took a bigger bite of the Apple thinking they could refinance 3 years in.
I don’t think there is a crisis. But you could see some issues develop.
I don’t think there is a crisis. But you could see some issues develop.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:26 am to Tigerstark
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realtors have been telling
Realtors are a fricking problem. They are awful.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:44 am to armytiger96
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quote:of course they do. I didn’t say otherwise. what I said was as compared to 1981, the percentage of household income it takes to afford that is greater in 2026 than it was in 1981.
This isn't new. Every generation has had to deal with this.
quote:You can change that number, but it still doesn’t change the fact that in 2026 it takes a much greater percentage of your household income to get to whatever percentage you set than it did in 1981. About 25% more.
Why assume this.(20%)
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:50 am to Jake88
14% on a 65,000k house with a union job that paid 40k (90k today)back in 1983.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:52 am to VooDude
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I think we’re due for another 2008 crisis and selfishly hope it happens for my own positions soon, not if.
This is nothing like 2008.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:54 am to VooDude
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Tell your wife to jump in a lake.
She would probably say, “Great! I’ll settle for a lake house!”
Posted on 10/21/26 at 6:59 am to Tigersforthee
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. No need to downsize if your payments not gonna go down much, if any.
Other than lower insurance premiums on a smaller lower priced home. Reduced property taxes on a smaller lower priced home. Lower utility bills on a smaller home. Lower maintenance costs on a smaller home.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:07 am to BurningHeart
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So what constitutes a crisis for you?
High interest rates discourage new buyers or new mortgages.
So demand is low, supply is low. Prices stablize until something changes one of these.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:10 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
Like all things real estate related its all about location. Homes near military bases will always sell in short order and will almost always slowly increase in value - not the wild increases seen elsewhere but also none of the lows.
What,s really amazing is the cliff that rent is experiencing. New units finally coming online after COVID has dropped rent in most metro areas 2-3% a year for the last 3-4 years. The cost of money and glut of vacant units will reverse that in the next couple of years though....but if one is renting right now in most metro areas there are some bargain basement prices for at least 1-2 lease cycles. My son just reduced his rent in Atlanta by $300 a month on an apartment he was considering 5 years ago when the rent was almost double what he is paying now....and that is not a one off.
What,s really amazing is the cliff that rent is experiencing. New units finally coming online after COVID has dropped rent in most metro areas 2-3% a year for the last 3-4 years. The cost of money and glut of vacant units will reverse that in the next couple of years though....but if one is renting right now in most metro areas there are some bargain basement prices for at least 1-2 lease cycles. My son just reduced his rent in Atlanta by $300 a month on an apartment he was considering 5 years ago when the rent was almost double what he is paying now....and that is not a one off.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:11 am to Tigerstark
Even with $300k in equity, if I sold I'd have to take a lesser home farther out for the same asking price at the current rates. So not going anywhere. Property taxes keep increasing my mortgage payments anyway.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:11 am to LSUfan4444
They love the price but hate the property tax appraisal. Oh well, they'll have to price the family home to move or starve once we cut them off the social security government tit.
Posted on 10/21/26 at 7:13 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
Inventory is still low because anyone in a sub 4% mortgage isn't leaving.
The crisis isn't for owners, it's affordability for new buyers. My suggestion is that they need to find ways to build equity faster; and there isn't an easy way to do that. They can take the risk in a transitional neighborhood and invest sweat equity in an outdated house. I honestly wish more younger buyers would do this.
Or they can just get lucky and find a house that's under priced. That's damn hard. And you are competing with older millenials and boomers that want investment/rental homes. And THEY will have more cash.
The crisis isn't for owners, it's affordability for new buyers. My suggestion is that they need to find ways to build equity faster; and there isn't an easy way to do that. They can take the risk in a transitional neighborhood and invest sweat equity in an outdated house. I honestly wish more younger buyers would do this.
Or they can just get lucky and find a house that's under priced. That's damn hard. And you are competing with older millenials and boomers that want investment/rental homes. And THEY will have more cash.

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