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re: How do you increase development/ improvement/opportunities in NBR, without gentrification?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:38 pm to Roaad
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:38 pm to Roaad
It seems like the biggest issues in black neighborhoods stem from:
criminal activity (theft and violent crime)
absentee landlords (blight)
The obvious answer seems to be reforming Section 8. Section 8 artificially inflates housing prices while setting an arbitrary minimum rent price. It gives developers a bailout if they cannot fill the rooms in their massive, cheaply built, housing developments. At the same time, Section 8 demands almost no standards from either its tenets or its landlords. Since the tenets don't care, they trash the place. Since the landlords don't care, they don't repair. The buildings are literally completely un-maintained and neglected right up until they get condemned. By then, the building codes have made them economically unfeasible to renovate.
The answer is obvious. If the Section 8 program is to continue, it needs to do so with very clear and strictly enforced standards of how properties are to be maintained by their managers, and of what conduct would precipitate eviction from Section 8 housing and a ban on ever receiving the subsidy ever again.
The fact that convicted violent felons keep getting section 8 housing vouchers over and over again and using those properties as a base of operation for drug running and widespread pillaging of surrounding citizens is a travesty that needs to be rectified swiftly and brutally.
criminal activity (theft and violent crime)
absentee landlords (blight)
The obvious answer seems to be reforming Section 8. Section 8 artificially inflates housing prices while setting an arbitrary minimum rent price. It gives developers a bailout if they cannot fill the rooms in their massive, cheaply built, housing developments. At the same time, Section 8 demands almost no standards from either its tenets or its landlords. Since the tenets don't care, they trash the place. Since the landlords don't care, they don't repair. The buildings are literally completely un-maintained and neglected right up until they get condemned. By then, the building codes have made them economically unfeasible to renovate.
The answer is obvious. If the Section 8 program is to continue, it needs to do so with very clear and strictly enforced standards of how properties are to be maintained by their managers, and of what conduct would precipitate eviction from Section 8 housing and a ban on ever receiving the subsidy ever again.
The fact that convicted violent felons keep getting section 8 housing vouchers over and over again and using those properties as a base of operation for drug running and widespread pillaging of surrounding citizens is a travesty that needs to be rectified swiftly and brutally.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:44 pm to Bmath
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Well, the city could implement rent control.
Which would halt improvement.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:46 pm to Roaad
It doesn't work like that. Poor people are poor for a reason. Usually bc they have no work ethic, no education and no concept of how to save money. If you were to give them millions, this wouldn't change.
Also, no one wants to go spend money in NBR with all of the crime there.
Also, no one wants to go spend money in NBR with all of the crime there.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:51 pm to Bmath
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Well, the city could implement rent control.
Artificial price floors and ceilings cause so many obvious and residual issues without solving shite.
That's like Econ 101.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:10 pm to Loungefly85
Their economic theories need a suspension of reality in order to be successful. The sad part is that their economic redevelopment board contains members that have zero economic or development experience.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:12 pm to kingbob
The obvious answer is to quit making babies that you can't support.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:14 pm to Marlbud
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The obvious answer is to quit making babies that you can't support.
No, they keep making babies because they don't have to support them. The answer is for the government to stop paying to support those babies. If the government would stop paying poor people to reproduce, they would stop, or at least slow down their rate of reproduction. If you want more of something, you subsidize it. If you want less, you tax it.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:16 pm to kingbob
They will have the babies anyway, maybe try birth control in the water?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:25 pm to Marlbud
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They will have the babies anyway, maybe try birth control in the water?
Offer them $2,500 cash to sign up tubes tied or visectomy. Government pays for the procedure and it solves a ton of problems and saves a bunch of money.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:26 pm to kingbob
quote:
It seems like the biggest issues in black neighborhoods stem from:
criminal activity (theft and violent crime)
absentee landlords (blight)
I would also add loitering which supports criminal activity, but that is very closely tied to blight. I agree with your comment on Section 8. Its a hard line to walk but there has to be a way of dis-incentivizing Section 8 and promoting more homeownership in these areas. Affordable rental properties with strong code standards are a good thing but the ratio needs to be more balanced.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:31 pm to Marlbud
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They will have the babies anyway
You say this, but there is zero evidence of this being the case. Just look at the middle class. They have to pay for their children, so when is the last time you saw a middle class family with more than 2, at most 3, kids? Pretty damn rare. Kids are expensive. People learn pretty quick when there's an economic imperative to do so. The failure of socialism is that it seperates consequences from actions. Instead of people feeling economic pain from having children or being jobless, they are kept relatively comfortable. Without that drive, that NEED to find a way to keep a roof over your child's head and to afford to be able to feed it, the entire structure of society breaks down into exactly what you see in the inner-cities. Hunger is an expert motivator.
Pain is the only true motivator in this world. Children born without feeling pain are terrifying for parents because pain is how we learn to protect ourselves. If we touch the stove, it feels hot and burns, so we pull our hand away as fast as we can. Those who cannot feel pain simply leave their hand there as it burns. Their bodies get far more damaged because they do not learn to avoid the harm that pain is designed to signal. By removing pain, we remove any motivation to mitigate economic and societal harm. That is the failure of socialism.
Mothers on entitlements do not feel economic pain when they get pregnant out of wedlock. Actually, it's the opposite. They get rewarded with MORE money! If another child meant another mouth to feed on the same amount of money, those women would be far more cautious about preventing potential pregnancies. Our current regime gives them no reason to do so.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:37 pm to notiger1997
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You give them money and hope they won't waste it is the only answer
And if they do waste it, give them more and hope they learned their lesson.
Repeat.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:38 pm to Roaad
Open businesses that work in daylight only, with clientele who aren’t concerned about driving into high crime areas, and business assets that aren’t worth stealing in easily transported amounts.
Aggregate Yard
Aggregate Yard
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:39 pm to Roaad
Not exactly responsive to your question - but, I drove through North Baton Rouge the other day after having not been there in ~20 years. It really wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be. I'm not saying it was exactly nice, but I diverted into some of the residential areas off of Plank Road and Scenic Highway and was a little surprised it wasn't worse off.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:52 pm to Roaad
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without gentrification?
Repeal the 13th Amendment.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:52 pm to Roaad
That is literally the only way, and it's their end goal. Money with no strings attached. Reparations
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:25 pm to Roaad
Didn't you hear the news Amazon is building their $5 billion HQ2 in NBR.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:39 pm to Roaad
A black man or black woman is every bit as capable of solving their own problems and mastering their own life as any other person of any other color.
The black community is utterly incapable of doing anything other than self destructing. It is really quite tragic.
The black community is utterly incapable of doing anything other than self destructing. It is really quite tragic.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:51 pm to Upperdecker
quote:I'm starting to get on board with this. Think about how much money we already dump into these communities, why not just hand it over to their chosen Community Organizer and say "here you go."
That is literally the only way, and it's their end goal. Money with no strings attached. Reparations
Think about how much we'll save on the oversight? We're bound to be spending massive amounts of dollars "watching" where all of the money we already give them is going. We're also spending massive amounts in extra funds to constantly placate these groups; more savings by getting rid of that as well. The administrative overhead is huge I'm sure.
No more building schools, no more tax incentive areas, no more added police presence, nothing... just write them a big fricking check each year and let them fight amongst themselves over it. Something they don't like - we say "hey... that's between you and your people. Not our problem."
We could even call it reparations. It's a win-win. They get their "reparations," we don't have to deal with their shite anymore.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:52 pm to Roaad
There is no quick solution. You have to break the poverty cycle... No small task.
Obviously I'm not an expert, but two big steps that I think are obvious:
1)End the war on drugs. It's a long failed policy anyway, and it leads to mass incarceration, which tears poor families apart and perpetuates the poverty cycle.
2) Education. The black community needs to put a large emphasis on getting a good education and a solid job, even if that solid job is manual labor of some kind.
Obviously I'm not an expert, but two big steps that I think are obvious:
1)End the war on drugs. It's a long failed policy anyway, and it leads to mass incarceration, which tears poor families apart and perpetuates the poverty cycle.
2) Education. The black community needs to put a large emphasis on getting a good education and a solid job, even if that solid job is manual labor of some kind.
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