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Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:15 am to Trevaylin
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Real issue for metric driven organizations. Your 1 rated performer has a child and takes off for 3 months of the yearly evaluation period . Zero work out put for that three months. Do you drop they/them to average, giving a coworker who was in place the entire time a shot at the 1 rating.
Paternity leave falls under FMLA. If you ding them for no work output in that period, you're going to have HR up your arse with a roto-rooter (because otherwise the feds will be up theirs).
Take that time completely out of the performance evaluation and evaluate them on their performance over their non-FMLA time.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:16 am to CocomoLSU
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Why are several people assuming this is a man?
You ever heard of a woman taking paternity leave?
Get this woke bullshite out of here.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:16 am to Trevaylin
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Do you drop they/them to average, giving a coworker who was in place the entire time a shot at the 1 rating. A coworker that probably had to pick up the slack.
For taking off time that the company all but mandates they take?
frick no you don't dock them for that. You want to dock your top performers rating for that?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:20 am to Trevaylin
Contact HR - make your decision
I wouldn’t penalize the employee, I don’t see putting them as avg as a penalty. However, if there is another employee that picked up his slack while out then, they should get a top rating.
I wouldn’t penalize the employee, I don’t see putting them as avg as a penalty. However, if there is another employee that picked up his slack while out then, they should get a top rating.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:21 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You can also tell who has never run a team or managed people when they want to hammer otherwise good performers for attending to things more important in life.
Like yea this guy kills it and brings a lot of value to this org but he took off a than id have liked to be with his child that one time 6 years ago so he no longer has my respect.
Like yea this guy kills it and brings a lot of value to this org but he took off a than id have liked to be with his child that one time 6 years ago so he no longer has my respect.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:21 am to tigafan4life
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Try having a baby in the NICU for several weeks and see if you can go back to work, and be productive after only 3 days off.
That is a completely different issue. If there are complications with the mom or baby sure the dad needs more time off. Half the time these losers are playing on video games for three months while collecting a paycheck.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:23 am to Trevaylin
Using three months from the other thread. If you are in a professional field that bills by the hour, is the company supposed to just accept that they are losing a quarter of the whole reason you are there?
Using some simple math numbers. $200/hour, 2,000 hours/year. The company is just supposed to accept that they have to lose 100k because you had a kid? That’s not reasonable.
Using the legal associate comparison, no associate trying to make it in a firm should be comfortable taking three months off. The math doesn’t work unless it’s your dad’s firm.
Despite this debate in multiple threads, I doubt there are many guys on this board who would be comfortable leaving their jobs for three months.
Using some simple math numbers. $200/hour, 2,000 hours/year. The company is just supposed to accept that they have to lose 100k because you had a kid? That’s not reasonable.
Using the legal associate comparison, no associate trying to make it in a firm should be comfortable taking three months off. The math doesn’t work unless it’s your dad’s firm.
Despite this debate in multiple threads, I doubt there are many guys on this board who would be comfortable leaving their jobs for three months.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:25 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Because it is paternity leave. If it was a woman it would be called MAternity leave.
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You ever heard of a woman taking paternity leave?
Get this woke bullshite out of here.
My b, I misread the OP. I'm an idiot.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:25 am to Trevaylin
Are you referring to formal reviews, or just in your personal "rankings"?
I would be careful about docking an employee in a formal review for using FMLA...
I would be careful about docking an employee in a formal review for using FMLA...
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:26 am to Sus-Scrofa
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is the company supposed to just accept that they are losing a quarter of the whole reason you are there?
The company accepted that when they instituted the policy. So yes.
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That’s not reasonable.
They obviously thought it was when drafting and finalizing the policy. Did someone have a gun the management’s head making them give 3 months?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:26 am to Trevaylin
A man taking 3 months off after having a baby is absolutely ridiculous assuming there isn't any major health issues involved
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:28 am to JohnnyKilroy
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The company accepted that when they instituted the policy. So yes.
Next up on the OT: would you dock an employee's performance rating if they max out their 401k match? I mean, that's company money they're taking!
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:29 am to Ingeniero
It pisses me off when people actually keep their year end bonuses instead of giving it back to the firm. Selfish pieces of shite.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:29 am to Trevaylin
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Do you drop they/them to average, giving a coworker who was in place the entire time a shot at the 1 rating.
Why are you conflating rankings and ratings?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:30 am to CocomoLSU
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Why are several people assuming this is a man? I've never heard of 3 months for paternity leave. Maternity maybe, but not paternity.
My company offers something like 8 weeks paid paternity leave. It’s becoming more common than you would think.
I think one of the issues is that as a dad, every situation is different. I don’t think the vast majority of fathers “need” anything close to 8 weeks, much less 3 months. But there are exceptions. Especially when there are complications that result in lengthy hospital stays for the mother and/or newborn.
That inconsistency is the problem, IMO. From what I’ve seen most men - certainly those in salary roles - do not take the maximum allowed paternity leave. But I’ve seen at least one case where the policy probably saved someone from having to burn all of their vacation due to complications. I’ve also seen cases where guys just looked at it as time they don’t have to go to work.
Companies don’t really staff for a 3 month absence in my experience. If you work on a team of 4, they’re generally not planning for someone going out for that long when they evaluate headcount. It’s further compounded by the fact that many people don’t really commit to a decision in paternity leave until it’s kind of too late to do anything about it (and to be fair, in the case of complications, you generally don’t know until the 11th hour anyway).
To me, there are two ways to look at it if you’re somebody who has been impacted by someone else’s paternity leave:
1. The company created the policy, so you can’t be mad at someone for taking advantage of it.
2. The company allowed flexibility to account for different scenarios, but that requires people to be responsible in determining how much time they actually need.
I can see the argument both ways.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:31 am to jizzle6609
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This is a chick right?
You know a lot of women that take paternity leave?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:32 am to tigafan4life
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Try having a baby in the NICU for several weeks and see if you can go back to work, and be productive after only 3 days off.
Jesus says to march.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:33 am to JohnnyKilroy
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You can also tell who has never run a team or managed people
To be fair, there are plenty of shite managers around. We got one or two in this thread.
But yeah, go ahead and ding that top performer for bonding with his child and helping his wife, Im sure he wont look for other opportunities
We can argue the point of how long was actually reasonable... but the company set the damn policy.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 10:35 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:33 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Why are several people assuming this is a man?
You ever heard of a woman taking paternity leave?
Get this woke bullshite out of he
Wait so it is a dude taking off 3 months?
Wow what a cuck manager for allowing this. This is the employee rubbing his dick on the forehead of someone saying IM taking three months and you cant stop me.
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