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re: How do you handle friends with fundamental differences regarding morality?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:23 pm to Artie Rome
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:23 pm to Artie Rome
Nice, but my understanding was that the dinosaurs died out shortly after leaving the ark. I don't think they were still here when Jesus was around.
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:24 pm to saint amant steve
I only hang out with people with similar interests/thoughts/etc that I have.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:24 pm to Hawkeye95
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Most atheists are in the I dunno category.
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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.
The I dunno category is agnosticism. Much less arrogant, and in my opinion a lot more questioning.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:25 pm to SwaggerCopter
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But God outside of our rules could have always existed. We live in a universe that only contains things with beginnings and ends. It would take something outside of the laws of our universe to create our universe. Just like it takes a person in a 3D world to draw on a 2D piece of paper.
See I find it much lazier to just plug "God" into the unknown
We don't know the answer, so lets just say God did it. Done.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:27 pm to Salmon
That is what triggers my belief. But the actual teachings, miracles, and much more are what root my faith. I won't get into that here because I'm hoping this thread won't be whacked.
You can call that lazy. But I think it can be argued that what I am describing is required of the universe. There must be a First Mover. Now, let's call that God. But the definition of what God is or has to be is MUCH more difficult.
You can call that lazy. But I think it can be argued that what I am describing is required of the universe. There must be a First Mover. Now, let's call that God. But the definition of what God is or has to be is MUCH more difficult.
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:28 pm to Mung
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Nice, but my understanding was that the dinosaurs died out shortly after leaving the ark. I don't think they were still here when Jesus was around.
Somebody needs to go back to Sunday school.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:30 pm to SwaggerCopter
That is fine. I have no idea how the universe was formed. I think it is more likely that it has always existed in some form and just keeps exploding outwardly, then imploding over and over again rather than an omnipresent being creating it.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:31 pm to Hawkeye95
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I just don't see how anyone could deny evolution. It would be like saying - the sky is purple
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:34 pm to Salmon
I respect that. But I don't understand how the universe has always existed when everything else in the universe was created. The universe plays by the universe's rules.
My belief is that God orchestrated the Big Bang, and from there the universe was made. He didn't tap it with his fingers or do anything we could even explain. But he started it.
Thst said, good talk. And I'm glad it was civil.
My belief is that God orchestrated the Big Bang, and from there the universe was made. He didn't tap it with his fingers or do anything we could even explain. But he started it.
Thst said, good talk. And I'm glad it was civil.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:35 pm to SwaggerCopter
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The I dunno category is agnosticism.
Not really. You have two categories to judge people
Theist vs. Atheist - belief
Gnostic vs. Agnostic - how sure you are
You have gnostic theists (there is a god, I know for sure), agnostic theists (there is a god, but dont know for sure), gnostic atheist (there is no god, i know for sure), agnostic atheist (I don't actively believe but I really don't know).
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:35 pm to Hawkeye95
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The problem with first mover is who created god? you come back to the same answer an atheist has - no one/always has existed
THis is all Ill say. You say "problem" as if its an actual problem. No thats YOUR problem. Just because an atheist or human doesnt understand it, doesnt mean its not true. Just because logic doesnt allow it, doesnt mean its not true. If God is this all knowing being, then he created the very logic you use, and everything he is is beyond your possible understanding no matter how smart you think you are. Its stupid and arrogant to think a simple human thats practically a tiny tiny spec on the radar of human history can act like they know the truth about something so very large and all-encompassing. God may not follow from HUMAN logic. Look at the vastness of space, and how much of that space has any human been to? Not even a measurable fraction of it.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:36 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Its stupid and arrogant to think a simple human thats practically a tiny tiny spec on the radar of human history can act like they know the truth about something so very large and all-encompassing.
But aren't you the one that is describing what is happening? Saying god exists, and made the universe.
My answer I don't know. This IMHO is a much less arrogant position. I really don't know
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:37 pm to SwaggerCopter
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The I dunno category is agnosticism. Much less arrogant, and in my opinion a lot more questioning.
You are conflating knowledge and belief. Gnosticism relates to knowledge. Theism relates to belief.
I am not a fan of labels but I consider myself an agnostic atheist meaning I do not know if god(s) exist but I do not believe he (they) exists.
Most folks, theist and atheist alike, are in the agnostic camp in that respect as we do not know whether god(s) exist. Thus, you would be an agnostic theist.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:37 pm to SwaggerCopter
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The universe plays by the universe's rules.
except this being, which is quite convenient
but this isn't going anywhere, so lets go discuss important shite like sports and hot chicks
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:38 pm to Hawkeye95
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Not really. You have two categories to judge people
Theist vs. Atheist - belief
Gnostic vs. Agnostic - how sure you are
You have gnostic theists (there is a god, I know for sure), agnostic theists (there is a god, but dont know for sure), gnostic atheist (there is no god, i know for sure), agnostic atheist (I don't actively believe but I really don't know).
Okay. I will use your terminology and not that of college philosophy professors I know. That aside, what you call a gnostic atheist is almost always a complete douchebag in my experience, and is the main population of r/atheism and any other online community of atheists.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:38 pm to Hawkeye95
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But aren't you the one that is describing what is happening? Saying god exists, and made the universe.
My answer I don't know. This IMHO is a much less arrogant position. I really don't know
Spot on.
Theist claim to have all the answers and badger atheists for being the arrogant ones. lulz.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:38 pm to jclem11
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I am not a fan of labels
So how do you know if you are buying men's or women's underpants?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:39 pm to Salmon
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except this being, which is quite convenient
He is not of this universe. Just like the maker of Monopoly doesn't have to live his life by the rules of Monopoly.Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Okay. I will use your terminology and not that of college philosophy professors I know
This is pretty much accepted in the religious community. its college freshmen that get it confused.
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That aside, what you call a gnostic atheist is almost always a complete douchebag in my experience, and is the main population of r/atheism and any other online community of atheists.
Gnostic anything are usually douches. How can anyone know this for sure? Its an arrogant position.
I think you would find r/atheist most of them would identify as atheist agnostic but I coudl be wrong. still douchey though.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 3:41 pm to jclem11
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Theist claim to have all the answers and badger atheists for being the arrogant ones. lulz.
I think both sides have their arrogant ones.
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