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re: How do commands work in the military
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:32 am to 777Tiger
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:32 am to 777Tiger
Might be correct. He went on the second wave at Iwo Jima, fought in Korea, and a lot in Vietnam. Stayed a marine till he died from cancer, prob from agent orange in Vietnam. He deserved a break, picking up trash would have been a break.
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Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:39 am to northshorebamaman
Correct time in grade takes precedent
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:44 am to jeffsdad
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. He went on the second wave at Iwo Jima,
had an uncle that survived Iwo, got maimed pretty bad, couldn't make Korea or Nam
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:47 am to 777Tiger
No matter what's on your collar, the one guy you try to NEVER piss off is wearing this hat
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:50 am to dakarx
I placed a Lieutenant Col under arrest while I was an E-3 and I wasn't an MP.
ETA: That same Colonel gave me a medal for arresting him.
ETA: That same Colonel gave me a medal for arresting him.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:56 am to Broke
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Broke
Story time.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:28 am to jlovel7
So from what I gather from this thread is that its not as easy as saying "he outranks him, so he can order him to do whatever", its much more of a situational type thing most of the time. That correct?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:47 am to jeffsdad
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So from what I gather from this thread is that its not as easy as saying "he outranks him, so he can order him to do whatever", its much more of a situational type thing most of the time. That correct?
Yeah, in the submarine navy most guys get to the ship at the E-3 or E-4 level. You don't see E-4's telling anyone what to do. But you better do whatever you're told by someone at the E-6 level or above.
Young officers (O1 and O2) typically only issue orders to senior enlisteds when they are standing watch as OOD, DO, or RDO.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 10:55 am to Pioneer BS 175
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My son is at MEPS in Jacksonville, Fl. Signed up for 11X, Airborne. Ships to Ft Benning on July 23, if all goes well today.
Well thanks for keeping me in the loop.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:00 am to djangochained
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frick sobel
Sobel gets a bad rap, I think he did a good job of preparing them for combat, honestly. Other than his own mistakes in tactical judgement, he trained the hell out of those men.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:15 am to jlovel7
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if say a corporal can order a private around
A corporal is a non-commissioned officer so they can definitely order privates around. In the infantry a corporal is generally a fire team leader so they would give orders to the people below them in the team.
It's not suicide for a O-1 to give orders to a high ranking NCO, it happens all the time. A platoon sgt is usually an E-7 and can have 15yrs of experience. A platoon leader straight out of officer basic will still be giving him orders. The issue is ignoring the advice of the NCOs.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:17 am to MLCLyons
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The issue is ignoring the advice of the NCOs.
bingo
Posted on 1/17/19 at 11:44 am to greygoose
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No E-3 is ordering E-2 and E-1 around.
"Yes, Captain, I was given an order by my squad leader, Lance Corporal Harold W. Dawson, United States Marine Corps, and I followed it"
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 11:45 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:03 pm to AA77
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Warrant Officers are the best kept secret in the Army.
Why? Doesn't Warrant Officer pay top out at O-3 level?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:24 pm to AA77
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Warrant Officers are the best kept secret in the Army.
Went in the Army as Vietnam war was winding down...Warrant Officers were not arrogant assholes like most 2nd Louies and other Commissioned Officers. Every one of them that I had the honor of meeting was top of the line and treated the lowest of privates as a human being. And they put their asses on the line flying troops in and out of hot LZ's and Medivacs!
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:27 pm to jlovel7
Depends on your billet, you can be an E-3 in the Marine Corps and hold an E-4's billet due to experience or lack of numbers. You best believe that E-3 is giving orders and the gentleman below (sometimes even lower rank (E-4) listen and do what they're told
Posted on 1/17/19 at 12:36 pm to greygoose
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No E-3 is ordering E-2 and E-1 around.
They most certainly are in the infantry, especially if that LCpl has deployed and the PFC/Pvt haven't. I'm talking parade rest and greeting of the day too.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:05 pm to Korin
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They most certainly are in the infantry, especially if that LCpl has deployed and the PFC/Pvt haven't. I'm talking parade rest and greeting of the day too.
shite, a Lance Coolie with a deployment and/or a CAR on his shirt is fricking with a corporal that doesn’t have a CAR or a deployment. At least in a line unit.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 1:48 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Especially if it's a Cpl or Sgt who just dropped in from security forces. I always felt sorry for those guys.
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