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re: How do commands work in the military
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:12 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:12 pm to northshorebamaman
Don’t frick with the E-4 mafia.
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Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:31 pm to djangochained
Captain Sobel doesn’t hate Easy Company. He just hates you.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:58 pm to jlovel7
Never piss off a Marine First Sergeant. I’ve never met one that wasn’t an absolute badass.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:24 pm to kilo
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Never seen this in the Army. I was only in CAV and INF units but I have never seen an E3 in charge of a fire team nor an E3 serve as a gunner on an Abrams.
Happens frequently in the Marine Corps. At certain points (like just coming off a deployment) I had some squads where the Squad Leaders were E-4s and all their fireteam leaders were E-3s
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:11 pm to jlovel7
in theory anyone who is of a higher pay grade can give you a "lawful order" that is to be followed out immediately or as soon as possible depending on if you were already ordered to do something else.
(priority goes in order from the highest pay grade unless mission critical)
that does not mean any order they please nor can they blatantly just frick with you without reason (having a mouth is a reason)
so context is key. depending on branch determines how strictly that letter of the law is enforced.
In the Marines if you are a PFC or Lance and a NCO tells you to do something(that falls within the line of duty)...it is "Aye (rank)" and then do it. Anything extra could result in a charge, remedial action, or some form of discipline.
(priority goes in order from the highest pay grade unless mission critical)
that does not mean any order they please nor can they blatantly just frick with you without reason (having a mouth is a reason)
so context is key. depending on branch determines how strictly that letter of the law is enforced.
In the Marines if you are a PFC or Lance and a NCO tells you to do something(that falls within the line of duty)...it is "Aye (rank)" and then do it. Anything extra could result in a charge, remedial action, or some form of discipline.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:14 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Anything extra could result in a
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form of discipline.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:06 am to ABearsFanNMS
Didn't ITB/SOI become a B-Billett? I remember always hearing infantry losing Sgts like crazy due to B-Billets. But it is typical to see the same in arty, and standard POG units where teams/sections were understaffed according to typical rank by position.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:06 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:24 am to stelly1025
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Now typically a Junior Officer O1-O2 and Warrant Officer CW3 and below will not dare tell a Senior NCO what to do or chew them out
I've seen CW2s go in on SR NCO's. Those guys don't GAF for the most part.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:27 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:I'm pretty sure time in grade takes precedent but the years are also stacking up on me.
Technically even if your the same rank but have more time in service or time in rank (can’t remember which now)
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:37 am to northshorebamaman
In regards to seniority
current time in grade/date of rank trumps time in service
current time in grade/date of rank means you were either promoted faster or you werent busted down.
those are usually the only 2 reasons a guy would have more time in service but less current time in grade.
current time in grade/date of rank trumps time in service
current time in grade/date of rank means you were either promoted faster or you werent busted down.
those are usually the only 2 reasons a guy would have more time in service but less current time in grade.
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:37 am to northshorebamaman
Just got promoted to E4 Mafia with a waiver, going to proudly rep the sham shield!
This post was edited on 1/17/19 at 2:38 am
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:45 am to NFLU7
welcome to the fam. just remember to schedule your appointments at 1000 so you can have those extra long lunches
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:47 am to northshorebamaman
most CW3s and below were a senior NCO before.
eta warrant officer seems like the best gig in the military
eta warrant officer seems like the best gig in the military
Posted on 1/17/19 at 2:53 am to NFLU7
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Just got promoted to E4 Mafia with a waiver, going to proudly rep the sham shield!
Welcome to the best enlisted rank in the army.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 3:31 am to northshorebamaman
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I've seen CW2s go in on SR NCO's. Those guys don't GAF for the most part.
Odds are they were a Senior NCO before if they did that and I doubt it was a CSM, SM, MS, or FSG they got into. It would be pretty ballsy on their part if they went after anyone above a SFC.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 6:42 am to DevilDogTiger
Never served. My uncle was lifelong marine. Think he was a "gunney" sargeant.
what is that?
what is that?
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:09 am to jlovel7
My son is at MEPS in Jacksonville, Fl. Signed up for 11X, Airborne. Ships to Ft Benning on July 23, if all goes well today.
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:10 am to jeffsdad
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what is that?
the guys carrying gunney sacks picking up trash on the side of the road every day
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:18 am to ABearsFanNMS
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I bumped heads with an E-9. I eventually fired him but I had to have “my ducks in a row” with him caught red-handed.
Storytime...
Posted on 1/17/19 at 9:31 am to jlovel7
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How do commands work in the military
Me (the ranking person) - "Pvt. jlovel7...GO!!!"
Pvt. jlovel7 goes
That's it
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