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re: How different of a world do we live in if the Germans develop the atomic bomb 1st?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to Ash Williams
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to Ash Williams
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he may not have been a cold war type and could've said frick it and tried to drop a bomb on NYC anyway
I dont think a standoff would have been feasible. The cold War was only cold because of MAD. In the 40's there wasn't capacity to produce or deliver enough weapons for that, so it would have been a bunch of "fling em as fast as you can build em" IMO.
I think the end result is the same. Differences are that London, Berlin, Moscow, maybe NYC and DC all get nuked before Germany is crushed. I dont think Germany builds and delivers enough hardware to the US to overcome the war machine.
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:36 am to Ash Williams
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But then again hitler was so crazy he may not have been a cold war type and could've said frick it and tried to drop a bomb on NYC anyway
Maybe like a decade down the line, but Germany’s navy I don’t think would be powerful enough for some time to nuke us.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:39 am to Cfrobel
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Germany couldn't complete conventional bomb runs against Moscow or London without huge losses. Delivery of a single bomb would have been extremely risky with a high chance of failure.
But with the amount of damage a nuke can do, I don’t think Hitler would give a shite if every member of the Luftwaffe died so long as they leveled Moscow into powder.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:41 am to Ash Williams
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I think Germany drops the bomb on Moscow and on London and everyone in the European theater surrenders to them
Germany likely nukes Russia off the map but Hitler was a great admirer of England and thought of the anglos as racial equals to the Germans so I don’t think he would nuke them. He would likely use the threat of nuclear annihilation to force them to surrender and would probably want British fascist leader Oswald Mosley installed in power in someway.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:42 am to OMLandshark
Due to attrition, offensively the Luftwaffe lost almost all it's long range strategic capabilities by early 1941 and by the end of Barbarossa were already struggling in a tactical capacity.
They weren't long range bombing anyone with nukes in 1943.
They weren't long range bombing anyone with nukes in 1943.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:45 am to Emteein
Well,we certainly wouldn’t be hitting the 8 billion population mark in 2024. And there would be a lot more blonds because of eugenics.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:45 am to Nigel Farage
Hitler would drop enough nukes to force England into submission. He had no problem dropping conventional bombs on them.
POD would have to be before D-Day, though - it gets a lot harder for the Reich if the WAllies have a beachhead on the continent.
POD would have to be before D-Day, though - it gets a lot harder for the Reich if the WAllies have a beachhead on the continent.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:49 am to Emteein
The IMF wouldn’t be around.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:49 am to Bestbank Tiger
We only had two, and our country wasn't already blasted to shite like hitlers was at the time. He wouldn't have been able to build and deliver enough of them fast enough to change the course of the war after D day. It would have had to have been way back during the blitzkrieg. If he has running nuke production going on at that point, woof. We'd likely all be speaking German.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:49 am to Emteein
Hitler would have most certainly nuked Moscow first. If that happened, the red army would have surrendered and Britain would have agreed to peace. The war in the Pacific could have ended a dozen different ways. Regardless, the Third Reich could have easily lasted 1000 years as planned if the Nazis got their hands on an atomic bomb.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:55 am to Mstate
Having super-weapons wasn’t their issue. It was producing them affordably and in ways that helped the war effort that got them.
They had Jets in a time of biplanes but didn’t have the gas to keep them in the air.
They had Jets in a time of biplanes but didn’t have the gas to keep them in the air.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:00 am to Shexter
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If that would've happened, the whole world would be wearing masks by now.
No they wouldn't.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:00 am to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:Heavy Water War was a good mini series about this. Really interesting
Operation Gunnerside I think it was called.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:02 am to TexasTiger90
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Heavy Water War was a good mini series about this. Really interesting
Going to have to give it a watch.
The Winter Fortress is one of my favorite books which tells the story of it as well.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:05 am to Emteein
without Einstein, nobody was building an atomic bomb for another decade or more. I believe Einstein would have forced them to kill him and his entire family before he would have given them the science they needed. None of those other scientists came close to knowing what it took.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:10 am to arcalades
"The One Man" is a historic fiction about an OSS operation to rescue an atomic scientist from Auschwitz to ensure the US could build the bomb. Great read
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:11 am to BlackCoffeeKid
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Operation Gunnerside
Learn something new every day around here. Sometimes its peptides, sometimes it's about how Germany didn't get what they wanted.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:12 am to Emteein
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How different of a world do we live in if the Germans develop the atomic bomb 1st?
I bet that Heisenberg wouldn't have quoted the Bhagavad Gita like a hypocrite.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:16 am to teke184
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Having super-weapons wasn’t their issue. It was producing them affordably and in ways that helped the war effort that got them.
They had Jets in a time of biplanes but didn’t have the gas to keep them in the air.
Well absolutely but if they had atomic weapons they would have steam rolled the Soviet’s and gained access to vast amounts of oil. Having those additional resources would have given them the capacity to follow through with those “super weapons”
Posted on 8/5/21 at 10:44 am to Adam4LSU
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What happens in WWII if Covid-19 breaks out?
Nobody notices?
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