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How different of a world do we live in if the Germans develop the atomic bomb 1st?
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:17 am
On the eve of the anniversary of the first atomic bomb being dropped on Japan, it occured to me that Germany had begun work on this technology before we did. How would things have turned out if all those scientists had been retained by Germany and they would have been successful in building the first atomic bomb?
I think we still defeat Japan for sure but the war drags on another year and the body count is exponentially higher for us. Because of having to fight on the ground and go city to city in the main island of Japan.
I don't think war in Europe ends with a decisive victory for Germany, but I think it's more of cease fire and then Germany retains Poland. And most of France. Moscow is leveled with an atomic bomb. Even with an atomic bomb I don't think Germany can win all out.
I'm not a huge WWII history guy, but have listened to DC's hardcore history.
Trying to breathe some non covid topics into the OT
I think we still defeat Japan for sure but the war drags on another year and the body count is exponentially higher for us. Because of having to fight on the ground and go city to city in the main island of Japan.
I don't think war in Europe ends with a decisive victory for Germany, but I think it's more of cease fire and then Germany retains Poland. And most of France. Moscow is leveled with an atomic bomb. Even with an atomic bomb I don't think Germany can win all out.
I'm not a huge WWII history guy, but have listened to DC's hardcore history.
Trying to breathe some non covid topics into the OT
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Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:18 am to Emteein
What happens in WWII if Covid-19 breaks out?
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:19 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:18 am to Emteein
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Trying to breathe some non covid
hope you're wearing a mask, a-hole
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:18 am to Emteein
If that would've happened, the whole world would be wearing masks by now.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:19 am to Emteein
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Trying to breathe some non covid topics into the OT
We wouldn't be dealing with Covid
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:19 am to Emteein
Covid-45 was just round the corner. If it wasn’t for those meddling Amis and their dog
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:20 am to Emteein
I think Germany drops the bomb on Moscow and on London and everyone in the European theater surrenders to them
The US would still be fighting against them for our own future and hopefully wouldnt be too far behind with their own bomb, which would be dropped on japan and lead to a cold war stand of with germany
But then again hitler was so crazy he may not have been a cold war type and could've said frick it and tried to drop a bomb on NYC anyway
Of course I could be off about all of this
The US would still be fighting against them for our own future and hopefully wouldnt be too far behind with their own bomb, which would be dropped on japan and lead to a cold war stand of with germany
But then again hitler was so crazy he may not have been a cold war type and could've said frick it and tried to drop a bomb on NYC anyway
Of course I could be off about all of this
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:22 am to Emteein
They need a delivery system to hit the US and the luftwaffe is severely lacking a long ranger bomber the whole war
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:23 am to Emteein
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:25 am to Emteein
Depends on the timing. Early in the war I think they nuke Moscow to make a point and take anything they want until another power gets the bomb to stalemate the situation.
If they got the bomb later, and had the Red Army bearing down on Berlin, I think they start nuking everything they can in desperation and who knows how that ends.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:26 am to Emteein
quote:I don't think this is a far fetched idea. Certainly would have changed the unconditional surrender to a traditional ceasefire IMO
I don't think war in Europe ends with a decisive victory for Germany, but I think it's more of cease fire and then Germany retains Poland. And most of France. Moscow is leveled with an atomic bomb. Even with an atomic bomb I don't think Germany can win all out.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:26 am to Ash Williams
The Germans had a bomber in research that could, in theory, fly a round trip flight from Germany to NYC to drop its payload.
Had the Germans created the atomic bombs first you would assume they would have also advanced even more in the jet fighter/bomber tech which would have been devastating for the UK and USA. Not too mention having advancements in the V2 Rockets, u boats, tank production etc.
It would have been monumental task at that point to defeat the nazis and drive them from Europe. Especially without the soviet manpower on the eastern front.
Had the Germans created the atomic bombs first you would assume they would have also advanced even more in the jet fighter/bomber tech which would have been devastating for the UK and USA. Not too mention having advancements in the V2 Rockets, u boats, tank production etc.
It would have been monumental task at that point to defeat the nazis and drive them from Europe. Especially without the soviet manpower on the eastern front.
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:27 am to Ash Williams
Germany couldn't complete conventional bomb runs against Moscow or London without huge losses. Delivery of a single bomb would have been extremely risky with a high chance of failure.
Remember by the time we delivered our bombs the Japanese weren't even scrambling fighters to intercept single aircraft.
Remember by the time we delivered our bombs the Japanese weren't even scrambling fighters to intercept single aircraft.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:29 am to Emteein
Even with the bomb they can't deliver at a long distance and they won't have very many. They have to use them wisely.
England is the most likely place to see instant sunshine. Moscow is too far and the Eastern front is future Lebensraum.
Force England out and (depending on when this happens) they might be able to force a stalemate.
Eventually you have a Cold War with the Reich instead of a weakened USSR that isn't colonizing eastern Europe. The 1950s see a "Brown Scare" and the civil rights movement attempts to link Jim Crow to those godless Nazis.
England is the most likely place to see instant sunshine. Moscow is too far and the Eastern front is future Lebensraum.
Force England out and (depending on when this happens) they might be able to force a stalemate.
Eventually you have a Cold War with the Reich instead of a weakened USSR that isn't colonizing eastern Europe. The 1950s see a "Brown Scare" and the civil rights movement attempts to link Jim Crow to those godless Nazis.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:29 am to Shexter
quote:How many fricking more times must I fricking tell you fricking people?
If that would've happened, the whole world would be wearing masks by now.
We all wear masks.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:31 am to Cfrobel
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Remember by the time we delivered our bombs the Japanese weren't even scrambling fighters to intercept single aircraft.
That's because they couldn't waste the fuel and they assumed the small, high flying formation was a scouting mission.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:32 am to Emteein
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How different of a world do we live in if the Germans develop the atomic bomb 1st?
A group of badass Norwegian commandos saved all of our asses from this scenario.
Operation Gunnerside I think it was called.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:33 am to Emteein
It’s a safe assumption that London and Moscow would be radically different.
If the Nazis create it in say 1943, Japan would be an afterthought for us. They would have nuked London and Moscow as soon as possible and could have taken out both Churchill and Stalin. That radically changes things. No D-Day if that happens. Pretty much we’d be relying on Zhukov from there. Hitler could have wiped out communism with one atomic bomb back in those days, so who knows what the frick would happen to Russia if they manage to kill off Stalin and his inner circle.
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I think we still defeat Japan for sure but the war drags on another year and the body count is exponentially higher for us. Because of having to fight on the ground and go city to city in the main island of Japan.
If the Nazis create it in say 1943, Japan would be an afterthought for us. They would have nuked London and Moscow as soon as possible and could have taken out both Churchill and Stalin. That radically changes things. No D-Day if that happens. Pretty much we’d be relying on Zhukov from there. Hitler could have wiped out communism with one atomic bomb back in those days, so who knows what the frick would happen to Russia if they manage to kill off Stalin and his inner circle.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:34 am to Bestbank Tiger
I know, it's the reason we were able to deliver so easily. Dropping atomic bombs via aircraft subject to interception and AA fire is extremely risky, especially when you only have a few.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:34 am to Emteein
We'd have William J Blazkowicz to save us.
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