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re: How are vets able to perform surgeries and prescribe meds so much cheaper?

Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:34 pm to
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
11510 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:34 pm to
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You have to pay for pet visits before you leave

If everyone paid their hospital bill, before going home, things would be much cheaper.

Because if we had to pay for it upfront and out-of-pocket, we'd put down our sick relatives like we do our sick pets, instead of getting years of expensive, life-prolonging or life-saving treatment.

Also, we've definitely had a payment plan on a very large vet bill before.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
40640 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:15 am to
Investors run human healthcare and they have profits to maximize.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9953 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 1:06 am to
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Investors run human healthcare and they have profits to maximize.


And people that choose to invest or build vets near large populations of GoldenDoodles hate profit? Please, dude, you build new vet shops near where there are rich women. A large animal vet (who knows the economic value of large animal) charges you different than a bullshite suburban vet that mostly works on animals less than 30 pounds.
Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
528 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:46 am to
Government rules and regulations

The amount of rules to operate a surgery center, supply anesthesia, etc is about 10,000 pages long.

The vet can do that in the back of his office with a bottle of ketamine.


Oh and they don’t get sued
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14718 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 8:25 am to
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You have to pay for pet visits before you leave

If everyone paid their hospital bill, before going home, things would be much cheaper.

Instead we have folks that use the ER like their PCP and will never pay a dime


That and pet insurance hasn't taken over yet.

When it does watch out.

Years ago people only carried major medical for things like hospital stay. Everything else was cash.

The insurance and docs figured out they could inflate the shite out of cost and make people buy insurance it was a huge profit win dumped on the consumers.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78755 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 9:32 am to
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If everyone paid their hospital bill



Comes out of my paycheck every week. wtf are you talking about?

And guess what? I didn’t even use the hospital or go to the doctors office once this year.

Still paid it.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 9:33 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78755 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 9:34 am to
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The insurance and docs figured out they could inflate the shite out of cost and make people buy insurance it was a huge profit win dumped on the consumers.



It’s a giant wealth transfer from the healthy to the sick.
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3543 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 9:55 am to
Now do canine dental work.

frickers want $1200 to pull and clean a few teeth.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7168 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:05 am to
TL/DNR: It's a LOT more complicated than just lawsuits.

Let me count a few of the ways:
-Expensive health care surveyors (Medicare, Medicaid, Radiology, Joint Commission, ad -nauseam) who make "recommendations" that are expensive. In the case of Joint Commission, submitting to the survey itself it expensive.
-Because of the increased inefficiency of electronic medical records (EMR), more nurses are needed to do the same job as was needed pre-EMR.
-There are an increasingly large number of insurance programs (the worst offenders I'm told are Medicare Advantage insurance, especially Humana, United Health and Aetna. that discount services provided by the. hospital. Frequently the entire hospitalization is denied. This usually occurs after the services have already been provide, but sometimes happens during the hospitalization. Medicare Advantage insurance programs. Lots of times the reimbursement is discounted to a lower level. The hospital will try to recoup those losses from other pateints/insurances.
-Defensive medicine. The threat of lawsuits and unhappy patient results in a lot of medically unnecesary testing. Should everyone with a simple, uncomplicated concussion really need an expensive CT scan?
-An increasing large number of physicians and /mid-level are utilizing a large number of expensive tests to make a diagnosis or determine treatment. I know someone who recently had a degenerative meniscus tear (a common knee injury that normally heals on it's own without complications). The ortho made the diagnosis by taking a careful histiory and carrying out a good examination. A cortisone shot was given and the patient was back to normal as predicted in a few weeks. OTOH, many would've done an MRI, oftentimes even before seeing the patient, and still given the same cortisone shot. Many of those patients would end up being referred to an Ortho unnecessarily for a number of reasons.
-Pharmaceuticals are becoming increasingly more expensive both for the hospital as well as from the pharmacy. Our dog took lisinopril for heart failure. It was prescribed and provided by the vet. The same medication for my grandmother bought from a pharmacy was much more expensive. The increaing cost of meds will continue to worsen as the huge box pharmacies like Walgreens take over pharmacy. I've talked to some independent pharmacists about the price structure of medicines and the struggle independent pharmacies to stay open. I still don't understand the complicated price structure.


Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
9617 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 10:55 am to
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Comes out of my paycheck every week. wtf are you talking about? And guess what? I didn’t even use the hospital or go to the doctors office once this year. Still paid i


Do you struggle to read?

You leave the hospital and get a bill after the fact.

Something like 60% of hospital patients cannot pay their bills in full.


Comes out of my paycheck every week. wtf are you talking about? And guess what? I didn’t even use the hospital or go to the doctors office once this year.

I'm assuming you are talking about insurance premiums, which has nothing to do with hospital bills... again reading comprehension.

If you aren't and you are still paying a hospital bill after a year, then congrats you are part of the 60%
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57333 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:02 am to
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Took my dog to the top vet in OS for a spay and meds and everything was under $250.


Damn, I can remember getting a pet spayed for around $25.
Posted by tgrmeat
Member since Sep 2020
5047 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:11 am to
Less liability. Ambulance chasers aren’t suing vets
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8700 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:13 am to
Because of Lawyers baw. You don’t get $10M when your wiener dog dies. You just get a dead dog and a bill
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:17 am to
quote:


If everyone paid their hospital bill, before going home, things would be much cheaper.


Took my granddaughter to the doctor before she was covered, cost me an extra $150 before I could even see the doctor.

They seem to punish cash payers more.
Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1198 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:17 am to
Did that include pre-an panel? If so, that’s close to cost. Vet must have a lower business overhead. Also, as stated previously, animals can’t talk, earn or sue.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18863 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Health insurance and malpractice lawsuits drive up costs for humans


This is partially true. The dearth of regulations mandated by Federal Law and a huge glut of Adminstrators in hospitals are equally if not more at fault.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
45645 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:49 am to
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Vet must have a lower business overhead.


Well until the recent corporate purchasing boom most practices are owned by the vet where human hospitals aren’t.

So as much as people compare them, it’s apples and bananas.

Most industries are considered financially healthy running 20-30% profit margins. Vet offices are lucky to get 10-15%
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57333 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 11:59 am to
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So as much as people compare them, it’s apples and bananas.


What do you have against oranges, sir?
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18894 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:24 pm to
How about teeth cleaning
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
4280 posts
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:35 pm to
Cause it’s less blowback if a animal dies… them not having a soul in all
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