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re: Houston Drug dealing attemped cop killers didn’t do anything update:murder charged to cop
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:14 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:14 am to TheCaterpillar
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They 100% would've tested it at the scene.
Not true, but okay.
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And lol at "got the guys for marijuana". They killed them
You're right. As I said, I hadn't kept up with the story.
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Killing two people on a no-knock warrant looking for heroin. That becomes an instant locked-down crime scene where they are testing everything. They have these little kits that show what things are instantly.
Those little kits are not as accurate as the tests they run in the lab. Those little kits are designed for traffic stops so they can make an arrest before testing further. Here, as you've already pointed out, there's no arrest to make, so no reason to use the kits at the scene, especially if there wasn't a lot of substance. They can collect what is there and send it to their lab.
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:15 am to Scruffy
yeah this is looking really bad for HPD
mistakes were made
mistakes were made
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:15 am to UpToPar
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UpToPar
They got the guys for marijuana though
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:16 am to UpToPar
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Those little kits are not as accurate as the tests they run in the lab. Those little kits are designed for traffic stops so they can make an arrest before testing further. Here, as you've already pointed out, there's no arrest to make, so no reason to use the kits at the scene, especially if there wasn't a lot of substance. They can collect what is there and send it to their lab.
Black tar heroin is pretty clearly not a white powdery substance, man.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:16 am to MSMHater
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Art Acevedo is a POS
I agree. He's nothing but a kool-aid drinking lefty politician. Most of his officers hate him.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:17 am to Dire Wolf
Could be ...
But if that's the case, does a recently hooked small time dealer come out shooting? Why does his wife "reach for an officer's gun"?
But if that's the case, does a recently hooked small time dealer come out shooting? Why does his wife "reach for an officer's gun"?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:18 am to toosleaux
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America: you can kill your baby up until the day it's born but don't you DARE have a plant and a gun in your house.
god dammit i hate the OT.
i mead read one fricking article on the topic before posting. one, just one.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:18 am to White Roach
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Could be ...
But if that's the case, does a recently hooked small time dealer come out shooting? Why does his wife "reach for an officer's gun"?
It's like you didn't read anything about this story. They were undercover, meaning in plain clothes It was a no knock, meaning they busted down the door. Dog runs up, they shoot and kill it. Guy runs out with a gun to shoot what he probably thinks are intruders, not cops.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:18 am to TH03
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Black tar heroin is pretty clearly not a white powdery substance, man.
And they wouldn't have released "a white powdery substance" to the media if they thought it was actual drugs they could later identify.
I'm sure they did test it with the kits and it told them it wasn't amphetamine, MDMA, PCP, or opiate based powder. Don't know what else it would be that is illegal.
But I do bet they come back in a week and say the lab found trace amounts of something illegal to cover their arse.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:19 am to LSU
quote:They didn't attempt to kill the cops?
None of the cops died as your subject indicates.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:21 am to ReauxlTide222
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They didn't attempt to kill the cops?
Congrats on reading the title after he edited it then thinking you had an easy gotcha.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:21 am to TH03
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Black tar heroin is pretty clearly not a white powdery substance, man.
I'm not saying it was black tar herion. It's likely cocaine. I was just responding to the post that said its probably not even drugs.
Interestingly enough, here's an article about these field kits leading to wrongful convictions due to false positives or incorrect interpretations. The article talks about wrong convictions due to the test kits being used by the Houston Police Department specifically.
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As I said, police departments are weary of using these kits unless its a situation where identifying the drug is required to make an arrest. Here, that clearly isnt the case.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:23 am to TheCaterpillar
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And they wouldn't have released "a white powdery substance" to the media if they thought it was actual drugs they could later identify.
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Acevedo said the police executed a search warrant Monday night and recovered marijuana and other drugs, including a white powdery substance believed to be cocaine or Fentanyl.
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:23 am to TH03
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Tuttle emerged from a back room in the house armed
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:24 am to Klark Kent
I"m trying to find the graphic Houston ABC13 news showed this morning on their 6AM broadcast. But it showed a simplistic overhead graphic of the locations of the HPD officers and the 2 suspects. From what I remember, 4 HPD officers came thru the front large room of the house and surrounded the female suspect. The male suspect then comes from the back of the house and shoots at or hits all 4 HPD officers in said front room. Another officer rushes in. He is hit. Then finally another wave of HPD officers subdue (shoot to kill) the male suspect.
So....for the "he was doing what any man would do in this situation" crowd. How many people would you have to shoot wearing military style gear before you realized it was a police raid and not some criminal home invasion?
So....for the "he was doing what any man would do in this situation" crowd. How many people would you have to shoot wearing military style gear before you realized it was a police raid and not some criminal home invasion?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:25 am to UpToPar
You're focusing on the wrong part.
The whole point of the no knock was to find black tar heroin in distribution. They found pot and what could or could not be a white powdery drug. Either way, not black tar heroin.
You're basically saying it's all worth it because they found pot.
The whole point of the no knock was to find black tar heroin in distribution. They found pot and what could or could not be a white powdery drug. Either way, not black tar heroin.
You're basically saying it's all worth it because they found pot.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:25 am to TH03
What do I win?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:26 am to Klark Kent
quote:They were undercover officers.
How many people would you have to shoot wearing military style gear before you realized it was a police raid and not some criminal home invasion?
Weren’t they in plain clothes?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:26 am to Klark Kent
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So....for the "he was doing what any man would do in this situation" crowd. How many people would you have to shoot wearing military style gear before you realized it was a police raid and not some criminal home invasion?
I guess you expect us all to think rationally in a high stress high adrenaline situation like this.
Also they were undercover. In plain clothes.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/30/19 at 9:26 am to TH03
I read three articles. 18 cops - 12 from drug division and 6 from patrol division. There was no detail on their wardrobe. They did say that they announced that they were police.
Even if the narcotics guys were leading the way and wearing plain clothes, wouldn't they be wearing body armor with "POLICE" in giant letters across the front?
Even if the narcotics guys were leading the way and wearing plain clothes, wouldn't they be wearing body armor with "POLICE" in giant letters across the front?
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