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re: Hospital pushing discharge for my 70 y/o parent who is COVID positive and hasn't improved

Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:20 am to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:20 am to
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I think the reason why so many are dying in Louisiana is crap like this.


Nonsense
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
32220 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:27 am to
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What would like to know?



Nothing. Just curious. Our current 8 y/o went thru it a few years ago. It was the sickest he's ever been. The docs couldn't figure it out at first. As a result, we missed the window for the IV IG treatment. Fortunately, there was no cardiac involvement. We had our final Echo last summer and the cardiologist gave us the all clear for the next 5 years. Everything worked out, but it was scary stuff when we were going thru it.

On a positive note, after our case, our pediatricians office now looks for it and have identified a couple of cases since we had it.

This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:29 am
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
70801 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:40 am to
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Someone asked about PT in the hospital. In our hospital only MD/NP/PA and RN are routinely allowed in COVID rooms. RT as neede but to be minimized. Everyone else is not supposed to go on the room.


I’m a PT and we’re still going into covid rooms here in S. Fla. In fact our lazy arse doctors are still using their same pre covid order sets which are basically ordering us for 75+ percent of the covids(and OT as well) without them even realizing it.

Half of those folks are ambulating independently in their rooms without any issues so we give the nurse a handout with some basic exercises the patient can do in their rooms to maintain their strength and have them relay questions to us. Another 25 percent are extremely elderly/demented/ patients who had poor mobility prior to the virus. The 25 percent or so that actually need us and have a good prognosis for rehab (like OP’s mom) we go in and eval and then treat 3-4 days a week to preserve PPE, they walk to bathroom with nurses/ do exercise sheet on other days.

This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 8:43 am
Posted by doliss
Northern VA
Member since Sep 2009
1046 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:41 am to
Her diagnosis does not determine if she needs to be admitted. It is the amount of support that she is requiring. If fevers are manageable (in other words not responding to tylenol) then the main thing that is looked at is the respiratory function. If she can tolerate PO medications and is not needing extra oxygen then she can go home.

The fact that she is positive for Covid doesn't change this approach to treating pneumonia.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 8:58 am to
appeal to your local news station reporter....

light is always the best disinfectant
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30232 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:01 am to
They are going to try to push out as many COVID patients as possible because the assumption at this point is that payment for COVID (including from insurance companies) is going to be 0.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3785 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:12 am to
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I'm a Nurse so this is what I would do:


This is where others can stop reading

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Criteria for discharge from the hospital is fever free x 24 hrs without Tylenol


That’s not true. We discharge plenty of febrile patients. Not to mention that lit reviews demonstrate no significant differences in readmissions rates in people who a discharged with vs without fever.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15679 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:18 am to
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The biggest problem is many do not go to the hospital early enough but go in the last few days of the disease. At that point, they go straight on a vent and likely do not make it.


Most hospitals are already overwhelmed and will not admit you unless you are having trouble breathing. Infected people with mild to moderate symptoms are told to stay home and manage the disease from there. How early would you suggest someone go to the hospital?
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
5450 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:34 am to
If you’re truly concerned that discharge will put her in harm’s way, refuse the discharge. Is she on Medicare or managed Medicare? If so, and they’re insisting on discharge, you can get her more time by requesting the Medicare letter to appeal discharge. That requires the hospital to lay out its plan for a safe discharge and care for the patient, once discharged. They’re going to hate you, but so what. You’re likely your mom’s only true advocate. Good luck!!!
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
26094 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:35 am to
Keep us posted on her condition. Hope for the best.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 9:36 am
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3785 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 9:36 am to
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the assumption at this point is that payment for COVID (including from insurance companies) is going to be 0.


This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. But it’s early and I have a 6 year old so you’re unlikely to hold the distinction until tomorrow
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23690 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:14 am to
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Hospital pushing discharge


There are metrics in Obama care regarding discharges and overnight stays in the name of “improving patient care” that have to be met.

Doctor discretion is very limited on the basis of the “if/then” criteria for overnight. That is in part why so many procedures are now same day surgeries.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112623 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:16 am to
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Hospital pushing discharge for my 70 y/o parent who is COVID positive and hasn't improved

Assuming she has Medicare, she should have signed/received a copy of something titled "An Important Message From Medicare"

Ask for that document if you don't have it as it has instructions on what she should do if you feel you're not ready for discharge.
Posted by wope
Member since Aug 2011
5684 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:21 am to
She does have Medicare and I will definitely get the document to appeal the discharge if it gets that far.

Question: what if I refuse to show up to pick her up? She's unable to drive and also has memory issues and cannot be alone. She has no other family in the area.

Man, this shite is so fricked up.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6745 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:24 am to
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and sometimes people seem stable but they crash very quickly. This disease takes weeks to kill someone, and the last ten days are the worst.




Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40208 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:25 am to
Why won't you name the hospital?
Posted by wope
Member since Aug 2011
5684 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:27 am to
I don't see the upside in naming it. What does it matter? What does it change? There are crazy people on here.

I'll say that it is an Ochsner-affiliated hospital that is not in the New Orleans area.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40208 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:28 am to
So we know where not to go should we or our families get this shite.
This post was edited on 4/3/20 at 10:28 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:30 am to
I still don't understand why you are so upset she is getting discharged. The hospital can't do anything for her and she is taking up resources for no reason.
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
51903 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 10:30 am to
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Why won't you name the hospital?


My guess is Ochsner
They pulled the same shite with my Grandpa last year when he had the flu

The way hospitals in general treat elderly people is disturbing
The staff shows no respect for their well being, as if they aren’t worth their time & effort
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