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re: Haven't Had a Statue thread in a While. Cowards at it Again.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:29 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:29 am to JohnnyKilroy
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What doubt?
Read the thread. Do try to keep up, I know it's difficult, but try.
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:30 am to BigOrangeBri
I wish all of the people melting over statue removal would man up and be honest. That they want these statues up because it reminds them of a time when blacks were treated like second class to whites.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:32 am to LongueCarabine
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Read the thread. Do try to keep up, I know it's difficult, but try.
Baw you're the one who failed to catch a clearly sarcastic OJ reference when you made that response.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:32 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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Yea what month were they removed. How do the following months compare to trends for the last 10 years. How do murder rates compare in cold and hot months. Stats only mean something if you dig deep
Murder rate was skyrocketing the previous months and years leading up to the removal.
The 2016 highest month for murder was only 1 murder greater in 2017 than the lowest month for 2016
July 2016 - 28
July 2017 - 8
Jan 2016 (fewest) - 7
Jan 2017 - 22
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 1:10 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:36 am to fightin tigers
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Your ignorance is that you believe all of this is done from a point of fear.
Enlighten me, mon frere.
What is the reasoning behind tearing down statues?
What criteria must a statue meet to be deemed unfit and in need of being torn down?
Please give exact examples.
I.e.
Any and all statues of people who owned slaves/accepted slavery as okay/did not fight against slavery
Any statue of people whom commited atrocities against any other group of people based on their culture/religion/status/ethnicity/country of origin
Any statue commemorating segregation based on race/sexuality/identity
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:36 am to BigOrangeBri
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The White House, Monticello, The Hermitage, Harvard University etc ect were all built partially with slave labor, housed slaves and housed treasonous, slave Owning Leaders.
They should be torn down to erase their horrible and evil histories, right? I mean, after all, having ones home preserved as a museum for posterity is a much bigger honor than a simple statue, right?
You do understand the difference that you can't escape the history of slavery or slave labor, but that doesn't mean celebrate it.
Confederate statues are celebrations because they depict leaders in battle uniform of the confederate army.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:37 am to BigOrangeBri
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The White House, Monticello, The Hermitage, Harvard University etc ect were all built partially with slave labor, housed slaves and housed treasonous, slave Owning Leaders.
They should be torn down to erase their horrible and evil histories, right? I mean, after all, having ones home preserved as a museum for posterity is a much bigger honor than a simple statue, right?
I'll wait......
And this is why the people saying the statues should remain are actually accomplishing something.
We all know these are the things they will come after next. This isn't about fear or racism. It's about retribution and a feeling of payback, no matter if it has zero affect on living persons now, no matter how moronic and useless the notion is.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:39 am to beerJeep
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Any and all statues of people who owned slaves/
If the depiction is a celebration of owning slaves, yes.
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Any statue commemorating segregation based on race/sexuality/identity
If it is celebrating the segregation, yes.
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Any statue of people whom commited atrocities against any other group of people based on their culture/religion/status/ethnicity/country of origin
If it is celebrating the specific atrocities, yes.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:40 am to Houma Sapien
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wish all of the people melting over statue removal would man up and be honest. That they want these statues up because it reminds them of a time when blacks were treated like second class to whites.
And the ignorance can no longer hide itself. I was born in the 80s hahahahaha.
"It must be because they're racist bigots.....derp derp derp"
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:43 am to fightin tigers
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If the depiction is a celebration of owning slaves, yes.
So statues of men who glorify slavery are okay as long as the statue itself doesn't explicitly celebrate owning slaves?
Why would you be OK with a statue celebrating a racist slave owner just because it doesn't show him using a slave as a foot rest?
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If it is celebrating the segregation, yes.
So statues of men who champion segregation are okay as long as the statue itself doesn't specifically celebrate segregation?
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it is celebrating the specific atrocities, yes.
So statues of men who commit atrocities are okay, as long as the statue doesn't depict the actual atrocity?
Oh... And for what it's worth, I'm currently sitting in my family plantation homes library. I ate dinner at the table that Jefferson Davis ate at. And will be sleeping in the room that he slept in often.
How does that make you feel?
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:45 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:44 am to fightin tigers
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Confederate statues are celebrations because they depict leaders in battle uniform of the confederate army.
Again, not nearly the honor of having an entire slave estate built by slaves(where many were beaten and raped)preserved for history.
At least admit you think they should be torn down so you can be consistent in your argument and we can move on.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:45 am to BigOrangeBri
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And this is why the people saying the statues should remain are actually accomplishing something.
You hear that guys? Cleetus and the gang are saving the white house and Harvard.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:45 am to beerJeep
What would be the reasoning behind erecting any of those statues if it weren't a direct representation of the events?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:49 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Cleetus and the gang
Again, the true narrow minded, ignorant people reveal themselves.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:49 am to fightin tigers
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What would be the reasoning behind erecting any of those statues if it weren't a direct representation of the events
You tell me. Why do we have mount Rushmore? I mean frick. We have a massive head carved in a mountain of a slave owner. What other reason to carve his head in a mountain other than to promote slavery?
Right next to him you have a devout racist who stated that negros are not equal to white men. What other reason to carve a man's head into a mountain than to immortalize his views that the white man is and forever will be better than the negro?
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:51 am to BigOrangeBri
I could not be more proud of my city tonight.
lol at your statues.
lol at your statues.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:54 am to beerJeep
Your melting so hard that your sarcasm has made it impossible to reply.
You have now established that, in your belief, the reason Mt Rushmore exists is to celebrate racism and slavery.
With your type of logic there is no doubt why statue supporters are getting their arse handed to them in these efforts.
You have now established that, in your belief, the reason Mt Rushmore exists is to celebrate racism and slavery.
With your type of logic there is no doubt why statue supporters are getting their arse handed to them in these efforts.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 12:55 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:54 am to BigOrangeBri
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Again, the true narrow minded, ignorant people reveal themselves.
Well I actually saw the statue opposers in my city and that about sums them up. Not that it was for a worthy cause, but at least they took a break from popping pills and collecting welfare checks to actually do something beyond making whiny threads on a message board.
Not that they accomplished anything other than to push those apathetic about the situation away from them.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:57 am to AlonsoWDC
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could not be more proud of my city tonight.
lol at your statues.
Ain't my statues. Y'all keep worrying about inanimate objects, meanwhile your city will continue being one of the most crime filled cesspools in the U.S.
Maybe the proud citizens can teardown the governor's mansion next.
"Damn racist house!"
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:57 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Not that they accomplished anything other than to push those apathetic about the situation away from them.
This is really the sad part. I think NOLA could have saved PGT if they wouldn't have insisted on lumping him in with Lee and Jeff Davis.
Instead the statue defenders went for an all or none approach and got none.
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