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Has anyone ever watched or listened to the entire Ring of the Nibelung?
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:31 pm
What was it like?
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:32 pm to prplhze2000
Remember Free Willy? Sounds like Keiko under water.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:33 pm to prplhze2000
I’ve always wanted to - most opera seems pretty lame but this kind of epic story set to Wagner would probably be pretty cool for a fantasy nerd like me.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:34 pm to prplhze2000
I have, a couple of times. (listened a couple of times, saw Siegfried live)
My opinion (I am not an expert in any way, but I like music):
The chorales and instrumentals are absolutely top-tier amazing.
The arias are (almost always, but rare exceptions) tedious, and better described as "impressive" than "musical."
And the recitatives are ... tedious beyond words and best avoided -- just learn the stories and follow the lyrics translation and try not to let your ears bleed too much. (Wagner sort of doesn't really have recitatives, but he's got monologues and conversational duets that go on forfrickingever.)
Great stories and great moments within the operas, though
Be careful if you go looking for live performances though. It's a trendy thing among directors to make the whole setting completely surreal and bizarre.
Here's a sample of one of the tamest and best examples: (the big stage machinery is supposed to represent flying horses)
Still a hell of show.
My opinion (I am not an expert in any way, but I like music):
The chorales and instrumentals are absolutely top-tier amazing.
The arias are (almost always, but rare exceptions) tedious, and better described as "impressive" than "musical."
And the recitatives are ... tedious beyond words and best avoided -- just learn the stories and follow the lyrics translation and try not to let your ears bleed too much. (Wagner sort of doesn't really have recitatives, but he's got monologues and conversational duets that go on forfrickingever.)
Great stories and great moments within the operas, though
Be careful if you go looking for live performances though. It's a trendy thing among directors to make the whole setting completely surreal and bizarre.
Here's a sample of one of the tamest and best examples: (the big stage machinery is supposed to represent flying horses)
Still a hell of show.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 10:42 pm to tokenBoiler
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It's a trendy thing among directors to make the whole setting completely surreal and bizarre.
This is the best part of your advice.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 10:46 pm to tokenBoiler
Not Wagner, but this is great too
Posted on 8/17/25 at 1:10 am to fr33manator
That was pretty good. I've tried to get into Orff, but never could. We saw Simon Rattle conduct one act from "Tristan and Isolde" last year and to be honest, I was glad it was just one act. Impressive, but just not my thing.
One day we'd like to see a production in Bayreuth, but tickets are way hard to come by. Would've love to have seen Christoph Schlingensief's "Parsifal" there back in the day, just to see him shake up the stodgy audience...
One day we'd like to see a production in Bayreuth, but tickets are way hard to come by. Would've love to have seen Christoph Schlingensief's "Parsifal" there back in the day, just to see him shake up the stodgy audience...
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:40 am to fr33manator
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Not Wagner, but this is great too
One of the most impressive vocal performances I have seen in person was O Fortuna during a Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert. The woman who sang it had incredible vocal talent. It was amazing.
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:55 am to prplhze2000
Yes! I'm a huge Wagner fan. The Ring Cycle is humanity's greatest artistic achievement imo
I've only seen Rheingold live (Munich last year) but I know the whole piece front and back.
Wagner is different, but he was easily the most skilled composer in history. He uses a series of leitmotifs more so than a standard collection of arias/recitatives and he got so advanced by Gotterdammerung that you can make the argument that it's not even in a particular key at all.
Anything in particular you want to know?
I've only seen Rheingold live (Munich last year) but I know the whole piece front and back.
Wagner is different, but he was easily the most skilled composer in history. He uses a series of leitmotifs more so than a standard collection of arias/recitatives and he got so advanced by Gotterdammerung that you can make the argument that it's not even in a particular key at all.
Anything in particular you want to know?
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:08 am to Bama Bird
I vehemently disagree with your position that Wagner was the most skilled composer in history. You even stated the reason why I don't hold Wagner in particularly high esteem when contrasted to other composers with these words:
If this is the criteria used to establish a composer as the most skilled in history then I submit that Wagner must take a back seat to the American composer, John Cage.
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He uses a series of leitmotifs more so than a standard collection of arias/recitatives and he got so advanced by Gotterdammerung that you can make the argument that it's not even in a particular key at all.
If this is the criteria used to establish a composer as the most skilled in history then I submit that Wagner must take a back seat to the American composer, John Cage.
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:09 am to Swamp Angel
I don’t understand a single post in this thread
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:18 am to Bama Bird
I will say, however, it can take a while to 'get it'. I came to Wagner after years of listening to late Romanticism (Mahler, Strauss, etc.) and years of music theory instruction. If you're interested in Wagner, I'd say give Elektra a shot first. It's basically baby-Wagner in 90 minutes. A masterpiece in its own right, but it's easier to digest if you're going in blind.
Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:57 am to tokenBoiler
Hm…….50 cats in a sack? Where’s the fat chick who can sing?
Posted on 8/17/25 at 7:48 pm to prplhze2000
quote:
Has anyone ever watched or listened to the entire Ring of the Nibelung?
Hasn’t everyone?

Posted on 8/17/25 at 8:02 pm to prplhze2000
Grew up hearing it. My dad was a Wagner fanatic. He took lessons from our ex-pat German neighbor who spoke the same dialect as Wagner. All so he could follow the libretto on the original.
He took me to the SF Opera for a performance of some part of the ring when I was a kid. Ruined me for Opera for many years.
Should have broken me in on Puccini
He took me to the SF Opera for a performance of some part of the ring when I was a kid. Ruined me for Opera for many years.
Should have broken me in on Puccini
Posted on 8/17/25 at 9:05 pm to tokenBoiler
You’ve waited your whole life for a thread like this.
While I don’t understand most of your post, I’m impressed by your level of understanding and description . It’s pretty cool.
While I don’t understand most of your post, I’m impressed by your level of understanding and description . It’s pretty cool.
Posted on 8/17/25 at 10:13 pm to prplhze2000
I have always wanted to see the cycle in Bayreuth. Back when I could have gone, I couldn't have afforded it.
Now that I can afford it, I have a husband who speaks no German and who falls asleep in live Lloyd Webber musicals.
Now that I can afford it, I have a husband who speaks no German and who falls asleep in live Lloyd Webber musicals.
Posted on 8/17/25 at 10:37 pm to HeadCall
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I don’t understand a single post in this thread
It's opera. No one in their right mind understands it, much less likes it.
Much more enjoyable is an evening at the symphony directed by Ranier Hersch:
Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:08 pm to Swamp Angel
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If this is the criteria used to establish a composer as the most skilled in history then I submit that Wagner must take a back seat to the American composer, John Cage.
What makes Wagner special is that it actually sounds good, and so natural that no one even realizes it's happening until you look at the score. This is the opening to Act 3 of Siegfried... there is no identifiable key. Starts clearly in g minor, but begins a quasi-development section in bar 12 but it never really goes back into g minor. There's an inflection to A-flat/f minor when Wanderer finally comes in but I'm not sure you could call it that. And this gets even more advanced in Gotterdammerung Act 2.
Try to identify what key were in based on this section:
YT- Siegfried Act 3
There's obviously a lot more to Wagner than just leitmotifs and functional atonality, but I just hear this and I'm amazed (after thousands of listenings) that one man actually wrote this. No one else could write like this except maybe Bach (who I'd rank #2)
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