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Protestants understand that all man made churches are just that, man made. This allows them to leave and find a home church they believe aligns with God’s word the most. Unfortunately Catholics are stuck complaining about Christ’s church all the time.
I’ve given it simple parameters to make a work schedule and it routinely ignores the rules I give it.
You were out of your depth and talking about things you have heard. Now you have been told the truth and don’t like it. No one moved the goalpost. From the beginning I said there is no requirement to give RAS on the street. I am right and you are wrong. You are also wrong about stop and ID states. You can stay believing wrong things or you can learn from this and argue better next time.
Yea I hear you. You are wrong though. You’re referring to courts saying that yes the cops violated rights if there was no reasonable suspicion. I never claimed that doesn’t exist. However, the cop has to provide that evidence in court, not on the street.

You are wrong about there being no stop and ID states. In fact, when you are watching first amendment auditors, you are usually watching them in stop and ID states. And the surpreme court has decided that these state policies do not violate the 4th amendment IF the officer has reasonable suspicion. Ironically, auditors usually know this and that’s exactly why they are asking for it.
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It goes way beyond auditors. There was the recent case of a cop assaulting and arresting an employee simply waiting on a bench for his ride. The cop asked to see his ID, the guy asked what crime he was commiting, the cop immediately went apeshit and assaults the guy.

Yea I’m mainly just responding to the initial post that police have to give RAC to the person in the moment. I do think it’s a good idea to do so. I’m not familiar with the case you’re talking about it so I won’t comment. None of what I’m saying is at all condoning assault.
I said auditors because many of them teach that an officer is required to give reasonable suspicion to them and they are wrong. I wasn’t arguing they are usually committing a crime. It is not true that the courts say you have to give someone reasonable suspicion if they haven’t committed a crime. That makes no sense. The requirement is that in order to detain and require ID in states that are stop and ID states, an officer must have reasonable articulable suspicion. There is no requirement the suspect gets to hear it in the moment.
Yea I mean I’m not defending poor officers. On the other hand people always are arguing there is no suspicion when there is and they believe they are justified in resisting because they’ve watched YouTube videos. They are playing with fire when they resist. There is no constitutional right to resist when you are legally detained. I do agree in most cases an officer should say why. If they believe someone committed a murder, I don’t expect them to have to have a back and forth dialogue with the suspect until the suspect is in full agreement before they can detain. Nor is there a legal requirement for them to do so.
Okay I see where we are talking past each other. I’m not talking about the common acts of the auditors. I’m talking about when officers have reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Gotcha. I understand now. The first amendment auditor is not the one who determines if a crime has been committed. They can resist if they disagree, but if the court finds the officer has reasonable suspicion, then that’s that. And their resisting charge will be upheld. In that way, first amendment auditors often times steer their followers down a dangerous path that can lead to arrest.
Haha okay so you have no point. I’ve had multiple responses and you can’t bother to say what you were responding to.

I’ll take a guess then. You are saying that an officer has to give reasonable suspicion if no crime has been committed, which is a nonsensical statement.
What is if no crime has been committed? I’m not sure what you’re responding to.
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I was under the impression the bishop wants it done throughout the Baton Rouge dioceses.

WWJD?
You said a lot. The fact is there is no requirement for an officer to give reasonable suspicion to the person being detained. In fact, sometimes safety doesn’t allow for such. I even said it’s a good idea to do so. You are ranting for nothing.
Yes I am. I won’t order my kid to not have Narcan. It’s actually the opposite of puritanical.
Nope don’t like pickles.
So you just make gay jokes when I make actual points that should be simple for you to defeat but I’m the bot?
Except you can’t explain how. What is puritanical? Did I say my child can’t drink or go to college? I even said they can get Narcan if they want.
Remember Free Willy? Sounds like Keiko under water.