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re: Generac generator crapping out

Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:44 am to
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19786 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:44 am to
Was at a house for 3 days with a 22kw Generac that worked great. Now you guys have me wondering. It is still running fine as of yesterday.

My buddy has the larger unit which is liquid cooled and he just finished telling me to stick to the air cooled. Info is all over the place with these things.

Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33425 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:44 am to
quote:

Generac only offers that on 2700-3000kw or larger full home generators for now.


Same thing with kohler, cummins, etc.

And I know you probably just mistyped but it would be the 27kw and larger.

99% of homes are running a 24kw or smaller.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 8:59 am
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26291 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:46 am to
I was going to buy one but every hurricane or freeze I hear of a couple that don’t come on or go out. I’ll stick to my portable generator.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23303 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:46 am to
General marketed well but product is not good. Kohler, Honda, etc… far superior, reliable, and less expensive.
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14885 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:49 am to
quote:

In the end you get what you pay for. A 26kW Generac is like $5000. The industrial equivalent 30kW diesel unit is nearly $15k.


Is it not possible to have a gasoline or propane generator that can run for long periods of time.

Generac is the "Pioneer" of the generator world. It's the name everybody knows and therefore buys.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 7:44 am
Posted by LSUStjames
Member since Dec 2005
3510 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:52 am to
I’ve had mine for 5 years and have never had an issue. It’s about keeping it maintained and understanding what it can and cant do. Mine is only 22k and i have a large house with multiple AC units. I keep most of the lights off when not using that area, try not to run the microwave or dryer very much. Keep both AC low so they cycle less often. And try to keep the generator cool during the heat.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 6:54 am
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37672 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:53 am to
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I’m tired of excuses for companies like this. Oh everybody knows they suck. Really? Then they don’t need to be a company. This is some China shite. As long as it’s cheaper we are cool. frick that.


Well, file a class action suit or let the market correct the problem. If you let everyone know how much they suck, that’ll hurt their sales. Worked for Dodge trucks. They seemed to have gotten their shite together after all these years.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5994 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:09 am to
quote:

The industrial equivalent 30kW diesel unit is nearly $15k.


Got a name brand? I have a 600 gallon diesel tank but no natural gas. Would gladly pay the $ right now.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17329 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:17 am to
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In the end you get what you pay for. A 26kW Generac is like $5000. The industrial equivalent 30kW diesel unit is nearly $15k.



Even the Generac with the better liquid cooled engines are over $11,000. They aren't anywhere near as popular as the smaller ones.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
17440 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:22 am to
quote:

This was their first time using it other than cranking it after initial setup.


Aren’t you supposed to start it up every so often? I feel like basic preventative maintenance would help prolong the life of these things
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36511 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:29 am to
quote:

Was at a house for 3 days with a 22kw Generac that worked great. Now you guys have me wondering. It is still running fine as of yesterday.

My buddy has the larger unit which is liquid cooled and he just finished telling me to stick to the air cooled. Info is all over the place with these things.



you wanna go liquid cooled in warm weather climate.

90% of these issues are user error

for example, op thinking he can run it for 3 days straight without checking anything and the comment about if it cant run 24/7 than what good is it. I specifically posted on here and the manual says not to do that on the air cooled. they need to be shut down for a minimum of 1 hour and really 2-3 every day to let them cool, check oil etc

Its peopel not listening. Perfect example I got a call from my wifes cousin last night. He is at her aunts in met and their 22kw shut down. Well i asked him specifically if he shut it down every day and checked the oil everyday like i told him too before hand. He says na, it was running fine so why should he do that.

I had warned him and went over the things to look for which i had learned from laura. He didnt listen and now they are prolly sol. Called late last night and he said it was really low on oil.

well he ran it for 4 days straight without checking anything, didnt make sure it wasnt getting too hot etc and thoguht it was fine. Whats the saying... "He is gonna learn today"

in this heat, oil needs to be changed every 100 hours. needs to be checked daily, air filter checked daily, and if you can, pull the damn doors off and put a fan on it.

air cooled are not made for the temps we see here in south LA. air cooled are stand by generators meant to run for a couple days at most. if in south LA get a damn liquid cooled.

another example is the guy talking about his moms top flying off the first time it was used. Well why wasnt the weekly test run?

generac is a lower tier brand but the biggest problem is people abuse them. But generac is easiest to get parts for. Overall people are dumb and are not mechanically inclined and dont check anything. There are instances like i had last year and others i saw where that isnt the case, but many times it is. Other issue is people are not getting the NG regulator change and are not pushing the proper amount of gas through the regulator.

if the unit is ramping up and then throttling down and you are getting over speed, its prolly the stepping motor circuit burned up. here is how you check that LINK

the above is caused from either not enough gas pressure or it getting too hot in the housing and burning up the circuit

if its undervoltage, let it cool down and start back in manual. if it still doesnt work, its either low gas supply, overheating, or very possibly the brushes.

in the end i believe all the air cooled are about the same. they are not meant for this climate and to be run all day every day for days on end.

liquid cooled is the way to go and cummins is prolyl best brand.


Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36511 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:31 am to
quote:

Aren’t you supposed to start it up every so often? I feel like basic preventative maintenance would help prolong the life of these things


yes weekly test.


other thing i wanted to point out, you cant be overloading the thing. For example most are not going to be able to run the AC and electric dryer at same time. or AC, microwave and much else but especially not something like a damn vacuum. laugh, but i saw that last year.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14475 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:32 am to
If they are new I know some people set them up for natural gas instead of propane when being installed. Once that is corrected they run like intended. It’s an installation issue, not a quality issue for ones we’ve helped with. Not sure about your friends, but I would at least check that out.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 7:35 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:34 am to
Too bad a lot of people who sell them around only say monthly start ups. The fact they advertise as being hands off a lot of people don't think about them or check on them. Now we can make fun of these people but we are probably guilty of doing the same when it comes to other areas where we take the hands off approach.
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
8955 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:38 am to
If it’s newer there apparently is a batch that had bad brushes. From what I’ve heard, generacs made between certain dates will throw a 1902 error and then shut down because the brushes have essentially disintegrated.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 7:39 am
Posted by redfieldk717
Alec Box
Member since Oct 2011
28117 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:40 am to
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What gets me is when they put their own brand of engines in them.


You realize they bid this out and someone just stamps the generac name on the engine, right?
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
11146 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:43 am to
quote:

5W-30 Full Synthetic. Oreilly has their own brand for $6 a quart.


Go to Walmart and get the 5 quart jug of Mobile 1 for $25.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
48694 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:45 am to
I’ve been using a portable generac 10,0000/8,000 almost nonstop since Sunday at 6:10pm and just changed the oil for the first time last night with 5W-30 synthetic from Oreilly’s. I bought it last spring so this is the first time I’ve had to use it. So far no problems whatsoever, knock on wood.
Posted by coondaddy21
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
3222 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:47 am to
I have a 30kw liquid cooled Cummings that ran for 5 days straight after last years hurricane. The only thing I have had to do to it was change the battery and have it serviced annually. You definitely get what you pay for. Cummings and Kohler are the 2 best.
Posted by scottfruget
Member since Nov 2010
3392 posts
Posted on 9/2/21 at 7:49 am to
The 22kw is 200 hrs
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