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Generac generator crapping out
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:35 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:35 am
Several of my friends in the River Parishes fairly new
Generac generators have taken a dump, some after only
1-2 days of service. Girlfriend's lasted 3 days. Oil changes not an issue, nor is over loading.
Hearing low natural gas supply is a possibility. But I'm not buying that reason,(yet). Because in some cases they are totally failing not just running sporadically.
Is there a better similarly priced brand anyone have experience with?
Generac generators have taken a dump, some after only
1-2 days of service. Girlfriend's lasted 3 days. Oil changes not an issue, nor is over loading.
Hearing low natural gas supply is a possibility. But I'm not buying that reason,(yet). Because in some cases they are totally failing not just running sporadically.
Is there a better similarly priced brand anyone have experience with?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:44 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Westinghouse and champion
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:47 am to GeauxWrek
quote:
Westinghouse and champion
He’s talking about whole home generators, I’m fairly certain. And that answer to the question is Cummins and Kohler. If you can stretch for the Cummins liquid cooled, that would be your best bet.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:58 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:A Keeper
Girlfriend's lasted 3 days.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 5:58 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
Engine crapping out
or
Generator crapping out
Two totally different issues. Generac is known in the industrial world for being kinda crap anyhow- but they made this home standby genset market and have provided many people with easy access to something that was once very difficult to do.
What gets me is when they put their own brand of engines in them. Generac would have absolutely zero collective genuis in designing/copying/tooling up/assembling engines. I understand they have problems with bent valves- but that could have been addressed.
In the end you get what you pay for. A 26kW Generac is like $5000. The industrial equivalent 30kW diesel unit is nearly $15k.
People think this air cooled little natural gas engine in a plastic box on their house is going to be able to run 24/7 for weeks- but they just aren’t made for that. There are going to be more stories like yours.
or
Generator crapping out
Two totally different issues. Generac is known in the industrial world for being kinda crap anyhow- but they made this home standby genset market and have provided many people with easy access to something that was once very difficult to do.
What gets me is when they put their own brand of engines in them. Generac would have absolutely zero collective genuis in designing/copying/tooling up/assembling engines. I understand they have problems with bent valves- but that could have been addressed.
In the end you get what you pay for. A 26kW Generac is like $5000. The industrial equivalent 30kW diesel unit is nearly $15k.
People think this air cooled little natural gas engine in a plastic box on their house is going to be able to run 24/7 for weeks- but they just aren’t made for that. There are going to be more stories like yours.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:07 am to subMOA
quote:
be able to run 24/7 for weeks- but they just aren’t made for that.
What the hell are they made for then?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:09 am to subMOA
Neighbors generac for 2 days then quit working on them.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:12 am to jbgleason
quote:
be able to run 24/7 for weeks- but they just aren’t made for that.
What the hell are they made for then?
Exactly. I understand they might not be the best option, but if they are going to prey on people incessantly with tv marketing to drop $5k they better fricking do something akin to being useful during a prolonged power outage.
I’m tired of excuses for companies like this. Oh everybody knows they suck. Really? Then they don’t need to be a company. This is some China shite. As long as it’s cheaper we are cool. frick that.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 6:14 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:20 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
500 hr warranty on the Generac generator sets, 3 week warranty
They know they are selling shite
They know they are selling shite
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:23 am to Jax Teller
Air cooled will struggle when its 90 degrees.
Change air filter, oil filter, spark plugs every June, you can get a kit on Amazon for $25. Change the oil at that time. 5W-30 Full Synthetic. Oreilly has their own brand for $6 a quart.
Change oil after every 96 - 100 hours of use. During an extended outage like this, that means every 4 days.
I shut it down every morning around 6AM while most the house is still asleep to check the oil and add more if necessary. Take the front off and leave it off all day with the lid open. Before bed, I put the front back and close it so its quieter at night.
Change air filter, oil filter, spark plugs every June, you can get a kit on Amazon for $25. Change the oil at that time. 5W-30 Full Synthetic. Oreilly has their own brand for $6 a quart.
Change oil after every 96 - 100 hours of use. During an extended outage like this, that means every 4 days.
I shut it down every morning around 6AM while most the house is still asleep to check the oil and add more if necessary. Take the front off and leave it off all day with the lid open. Before bed, I put the front back and close it so its quieter at night.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:23 am to Jax Teller
quote:
I’m tired of excuses for companies like this. Oh everybody knows they suck. Really?
I don’t think they suck as much as people ask too much of them. I’d bet a lot of their failures are user error by overloading them or otherwise not working within their parameters. Probably not changing the oil as often as they should, that kind of thing.
The problem with things like service plans and sales pitches of being “hands off” and “easy to maintain” is that they are while they are not used. But using them in this situation is not a situation where you can be ignorant and not actively work to maintain them.
It’s all a price point and marketing game and people fall for it. You just gotta understand as said above if you are paying 1/3 the cost of a commercial/ industrial unit there’s a reason for that and have to work within the parameters of those reasons.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:26 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
If its an oil alarm try changing the sensor. It's a easy fix. It recently happened to a family members Generac that was well maintained.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:26 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
quote:
Generac generator
My Mom had one installed earlier this year along with a gas tank in the yard.
Generator kicked on Sunday night and the top cover blew off after about 30 seconds.
This was their first time using it other than cranking it after initial setup.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:30 am to LSUStjames
quote:
Change oil after every 96 - 100 hours of use.
Just yesterday the OT said 200 hrs. Anyone got a link to a manufacturers recommendation?
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:32 am to jbgleason
quote:
Just yesterday the OT said 200 hrs. Anyone got a link to a manufacturers recommendation?
My dealer told me Generac recommends 200 hrs but they usually recommend 150-175.
They also recommend that I use 10W-40 instead of 5W-30 because it handles the hotter temps here better.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 6:34 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:34 am to jbgleason
quote:Look up the term “Duty Cycle” if you are not familiar with it.
What the hell are they made for then?
Generac is first and foremost an entry-level line.
They are primarily designed & built* to be used for brief periods at a time; e.g. like a working day at a jobsite rather than 24/7 as folks without household power use them.
Marcia Ball said it “The right tool for the job”?
The choice comes down to upgrade or deal with Generacs being relatively unreliable.
*remember this is cheaply designed and built
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:35 am to OLDBEACHCOMBER
For full home backup systems in south Louisiana where you run the possibility of having to rely on your generator for a week or more …you probably need one with a liquid cooled engine.
Generac only offers that on 2700-3000w or larger full home generators for now.
Generac only offers that on 2700-3000w or larger full home generators for now.
This post was edited on 9/2/21 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:39 am to SG_Geaux
Most of the dealers say do it every 100 hours. The 26kw and below are the worst units. Lots of them burnt up in Lake Charles for Laura. While people buy them for this type of event their not going to hold up. It’s like running a lawn mower or car for 24 hrs a day for 3 weeks non stop. Gas engines just aren’t made for that. Run it overnight and give it a break for 2 hours in the morning. Top off oil then run it until 2 hrs before bed. Let’s say 7:00 and break for 2 hours and top off oil and then start it back at 9. Like others have said Kohler and Cummins are better but more expensive.
Posted on 9/2/21 at 6:42 am to jbgleason
Manual says 200 hours for oil, but in this heat your going to want to change it more often.
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