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Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:52 am to OleVaught14
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the distance was not difficult. What made it hard was two ships bobbing up and down from the ocean.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 7:56 am to Jack Ruby
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probably about 50 to 75 yards
From a moving platform in the ocean to another moving plat from in the ocean …
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:09 am to mule74
I've never heard anyone claim it was a long shot. The difficulty was boat to boat on the water, and simultaneously popping three pirates in the head before they could shoot Phillips. Had to be perfect coordination.
From a report at the time:
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From a report at the time:
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The hard part was not the distance, 75 feet, an easy range for an experienced sniper. Far more difficult were all the moving parts: the bobbing lifeboat, the rolling ship, hitting three targets simultaneously in darkness - and all without harming the hostage, Capt. Richard Phillips.
They waited as a series of seemingly insignificant moves - from extending the pirates a rope to bringing an injured brigand on board - improved their odds.
Three SEAL snipers aimed from the fantail of the Norfolk-based destroyer Bainbridge and picked off three Somali pirates holding Phillips in a small lifeboat that was being towed about 75 feet behind the destroyer.
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Later, they also agreed to let Bainbridge take the lifeboat under tow, ostensibly to keep the boat stable as the weather worsened. Sailors hooked a cable to the lifeboat and the destroyer slowly, imperceptibly, began winching the boat closer and closer to itself, until it was just 25 meters away. The SEALs were apparently already lying prone on Bainbridge's flight deck, scanning the lifeboat with the crosshairs of their sniper rifles.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:16 am to Twenty 49
I like how people in this thread are arguing about how hard and difficult the shot was and how this dude is wrong when he’s the one that actually took the shot 
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:17 am to indytiger
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So what other Tier 1 groups are there? I find this stuff interesting but don't know much about it.
Well there is a fifth from the list posted earlier, but it’s hard to get much info out of them. From what I can find..... In 1972, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promtly escaped the maximun security stockade to the Los Angeles Underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-team.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:39 am to Jack Ruby
I've only seen the movie a couple of times but don't remember it being a 1000 yards or anything.
Also, 50 or 75 yards on ocean water is still no joke.
Also, 50 or 75 yards on ocean water is still no joke.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:45 am to Jack Ruby
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played the entire ordeal down as just a simple sniper shot that they had all trained for with abundance.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:46 am to jcolding41
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DEVGRU (seal Team 6)
DEV is badass but they aren't SEALs.
Never change OT
Posted on 12/10/20 at 8:55 am to USMEagles
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That was nice of us to buy them fancy $9,000 rifles anyway. The guys kicking their asses have to make do with AKs.
I know right? We should get rid of all of those fancy airplanes and drones and go back to horses. The history of civilization shows us that the weaker nation always wins because war is fought fair and square.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:17 am to OleVaught14
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may be mistaken, but everything I've heard/read was that the distance was not difficult. What made it hard was two ships bobbing up and down from the ocean.
Constantly accounting for height/angle is what made the shot special, not distance. In addition to the fact is was multiple shots simultaneously
I wish there was a tourist attraction where you could try these shots. Basically reset the scene with target dummies on some old decommissioned ships and let people try the shots from different distances with different rifles. Hold competitions with prize money for winning. I’d pay to do that
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:32 am to Jack Ruby
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Well, the DEVGRU team is made up only of Seals... So they are. Yes, they're a tier 1 unit seperate from the regular Seal Teams (which are Tier 2 units) but they are all still Seals, unlike CAG (delta force) that can be made up of guys from any service branch.
DEVGRU is primarily SEALS but EOD and boat guys are eligible and sometimes get selected, and other specialties are attached as needed. An attached dog handler may not strictly be an operator but if he's doing the same missions it doesn't really matter.
Delta just keeps growing. They have an organic combat engineer capability now, armor when they need it, and undoubtedly anything else they need. During the height of the Iraq surge when they needed replacements for casualties, they were taking regular SF guys, running them through some OJT in-country and putting them on assault teams. Some of them stayed there the rest of their career without ever going through selection. There's a lot more fluidity and overlap than most people realize.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:46 am to indytiger
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So what other Tier 1 groups are there? I find this stuff interesting but don't know much about it.
It's kind of an outdated term, but Air Force PJ's and the 160th SOAR are both classified similarly to CAG and DEVGRU.
There is other stuff out there that you don't hear about - typically small teams that are stitched together from various parts of DoD and the intelligence community or contractors. They are often temporal in nature.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:57 am to indytiger
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So what other Tier 1 groups are there? I find this stuff interesting but don't know much about it.
quote:That's the point. They control information about the T1 groups so tightly, it's insane.
don't know much about it.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:03 am to Jack Ruby
He should have clarified the rest of the story, 2 of the 3 shots missed their target, the 3rd shot wounded one Somali, the three Somalis were actually killed by one of two SEALs that breached the life boat after the snipers fired. There were a total of 19 rounds fired in the engagement . The $30,000 ransom money was later found to be missing, the SEALs had the last contact with the ransom money, they were all supposed to be polygraphed, but it didn’t happen.
It is all in the court transcripts from the proceedings of a lawsuit brought by the surviving Somali pirate, but why let facts mess up a good SEAL story.
It is all in the court transcripts from the proceedings of a lawsuit brought by the surviving Somali pirate, but why let facts mess up a good SEAL story.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:37 am to Jack Ruby
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It's not 1,000 yds or 2 miles like everyone says and now thinks.
I have never heard a claim it was that far. In fact the way a bullet comes in at that distance makes that impossible in that circumstance.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:39 am to jcolding41
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DEV is badass but they aren't SEALs.
Everyone in DevGru wears the Trident. Every single one. You are mistaken in your thinking.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:48 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I like how people in this thread are arguing about how hard and difficult the shot was and how this dude is wrong when he’s the one that actually took the shot
I don't think that is what people are arguing. They are simply saying they never heard anyone say it was a 1000 yard shot. And that the shot was difficult enough from the distance it was and are giving the credit due.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:30 am to jcolding41
Probably the dumbest thing I've seen in the last 6 months. DEVGRU is comprised of SEALs, and only SEALs. There is a support element that does paperwork and logistics, but that is separate. And if you mean pulled from most rates and going to BUDS then to DEVGRU, wrong again. It's like a fraternity and once you're in, you stay.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:35 am to indytiger
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So what other Tier 1 groups are there?
Delta.
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