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Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:31 am to
I've been so proud for not reading anything at all from this thread so far.

But the fact that's it's grown to 12 pages is starting to tempt me.

Oh well, I'll compromise and give it a bump with this post.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:31 am to
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Why not allow business to stay open with less draconian measures?



Because people aren't following them.

You're in Alaska, right? I would imagine that having pretty loose restrictions in Alaska is doable given the demographics and population density.


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Some "essential" weed shops and liquor stores are limiting the number of patrons that can be in the shop at one time. Seenpms more intelligent that the authoritarian route.


Louisiana started with looser restrictions and the mouthbreathers that occupy this state were have 1000 person block parties.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:31 am to
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I dont think you are going to see the louisiana govt ease up until there are no new cases

I see JBE pushing for lockdowns through july into august. Hope I am wrong


Well if you believe that then we will be on lockdowns well into next year, as it will spike again in the fall

In no way do I think you are right

It would be career suicide

Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:32 am to
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Our R(0) has consistly fallen the last few weeks. We know the range of outcomes after infection. It's dishonest to suggest that the same outcomes we have now would have been the outcomes without regulations in place.


Then why is everyone in a dick measuring contest to extend stay at home orders?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:33 am to
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Well if you believe that then we will be on lockdowns well into next year, as it will spike again in the fall


Thats kind of the trajectory of "flatten the curve."

They're already talking about cancelling sports for the fall.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:33 am to
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Well if you believe that then we will be on lockdowns well into next year, as it will spike again in the fall

In no way do I think you are right

It would be career suicide

Hope I am wrong

But I also don’t think it would be career suicide. People would support it. They have bought into “lockdown until a vaccine”

Look at Kirk Herbstreit, he has bought into that mindset
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 10:35 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:33 am to
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I dont think you are going to see the louisiana govt ease up until there are no new cases

I see JBE pushing for lockdowns through july into august. Hope I am wrong


Me too.

Remember there are political implications here in addition to science. I didn't vote for the guy but I understand his ranting about running out of ventilators because we were competing with other states to get a share of the federal supply. I don't fault him for that.

ETA: Am I wrong on this? I thought he said extended social distancing measures during the summer (which I would be oaky with). Did he say lockdown?
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 10:35 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:34 am to
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Then why is everyone in a dick measuring contest to extend stay at home orders?



so when they remove the orders 4 weeks early, they can cheer themselves

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:35 am to
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Then why is everyone in a dick measuring contest to extend stay at home orders?


Politicians reacting to hysteria. It's a giant feedback loop.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:36 am to
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But I also don’t think it would be career suicide. People would support it. They have bought into “lockdown until a vaccine”


Dude.

It's been 2 weeks and the tone in all of this has already shifted.

Trump is already talking about suicides due to economic collapse.

People will not blindly support this indefinitely. as the economy crashes around them.

It won't happen.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:37 am to
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ETA: Am I wrong on this? I thought he said extended social distancing measures during the summer (which I would be oaky with). Did he say lockdown?



You are correct.

People are conflating social distancing with lockdown.

Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:37 am to
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I thought he said extended social distancing measures during the summer (which I would be oaky with).

Which means inessential business will remain closed until social distancing is lifted
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:38 am to
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Which means inessential business will remain closed until social distancing is lifted


this is false
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:38 am to
I know people who feel like they have perfect job/quality of life security who would 100% cheer for running tanks down the street to keep people at home to "stop the spread." Its unbelievable to watch.
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:38 am to
Can a hair salon stay open while still performing social distancing?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:38 am to
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this is false



As long as people support, it will.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:39 am to
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I know people who feel like they have perfect job/quality of life security who would 100% cheer for running tanks down the street to keep people at home to "stop the spread." Its unbelievable to watch.



these people are not the majority
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:40 am to
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Can a hair salon stay open while still performing social distancing?


Yes. Hair salons were still open when the social distancing orders were in place.

They were not closed until the "stay at home" order was issued.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:40 am to
Oh I know, the majority is probably more where I am. Massive paycut, enough savings to ride it for a few months, mad as hell about having to do it and losing every bit of that security that takes so long to get.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:41 am to
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I'm not sure how pedestrians are involved here. Car crash fatalities dont dramatically increase, they stay high as hell all the time, every day of every year.




I'm pretty sure COVID already surpassed or has come close to the yearly pedestrian auto deaths.

As for all auto accident deaths, we have approximately 71 per year in the United States.


Or you know 1/18th of the number os US covid deaths yesterday
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