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re: Follow up to "Did the South ever really have a chance (Civil War)?"

Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66445 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:00 pm to
I'd love to see a series on TV or streaming like "For All Mankind" but for this scenario instead. The problem is, in today's Hollywood, there's no way they could make an impartial series
Posted by Stephen_Bonnet75
Charles Town
Member since Jul 2022
63 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:03 pm to
Italian

Well there goes the Southern European immigrant point
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:04 pm to
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Italian

Well there goes the Southern European immigrant point

Are you attempting to make a comparison?
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12641 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:06 pm to
South would be made of very independent states as the founding fathers intended. North would be a bloated corrupt federal bureaucracy like you see today.
Posted by LSUinMA
Commerce, Texas
Member since Nov 2008
4947 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:06 pm to
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two countries


What makes you think there would only be two countries?

Secession is like eating Pringles.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:16 pm to
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South would be made of very independent states as the founding fathers intended.


You should do some more research on some of those founding fathers
Posted by Hater Bait
Tuscaloosa & Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2012
3129 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:26 pm to
No. The south gave the Yankees hell, but the Rebs just were not in a position of power with Allies and that access to supplies to do much more than what happened. It also didn’t help that the actual reason the war was fought was preservation of the wealthy to keep their human possessions. Remember poor whites were treated like shite back then too. But still anything had to be better than being owned.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:33 pm to
Among the many problems we currently endure, is the issue of having a foreign culture pushed down our throats, to the point where it threatens the future of our existence.

An independent south would have have escaped that.
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
2324 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:50 pm to
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The south would have denied the vote to blacks because their sheer numbers would have wrested control from conservatives.


do what
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14397 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:52 pm to
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Among the many problems we currently endure, is the issue of having a foreign culture pushed down our throats, to the point where it threatens the future of our existence.

An independent south would have have escaped that.


I fricking second this. The most noticeable way you can tell is the loss of southern accent from people in the south.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39286 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:54 pm to
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An independent south would have have escaped that.



How?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:58 pm to
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If the South had won, what would the two countries look like today?


The South would never have made it far as a nation, they hitched their wagon to slave labor and agriculture. The Slavery would have ended at some point, but the damage was already done.

Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14397 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 1:00 pm to
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South wins by diplomacy and the North doesn’t want to fight a war:

Slavery ends probably around Brazil’s timeline or later, buttt it doesn’t really end

More than likely a greater scale Great Migration of blacks and poor whites go to the North.

The south invades Mexico and fails miserably because it’s only option is to go from up north and not the gulf like the USA did previously

The south doesn’t have the capacity or manpower to fight off Indian raids out west, so west Texas fails to find oil and stuff

By 1930s, anywhere south of Atlanta is seen as abandoned and economically destroyed. The rich planter class has either migrated to the USA, to Brazil, or the border states such as Virginia and Tennessee.

The economically depressed south becomes a haven for communism and radicalism to flourish. Plus, it more than likely imports farmer immigrants from Italy and Russia who express these ideals the most. In addition, mafias are much more prominent in the south than the north. There is conflicts of this due to the anti catholic/racial views of the Confederacy but that won’t have much of a choice at this point. The North is going to outcompete them for Germanic/Protestant immigrants.

IDK after this point tbh lol. More than likely a poorer backwater Argentina, maybe Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee apply to come back to the US but the rest of the south gets wrecked.


That certainly is a hell of a take.

Wrong as it may be, it is a hell of a take.
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
61586 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 1:06 pm to
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If the South had won, what would the two countries look like today?

A relationship like Scotland and England?
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
5063 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 1:38 pm to
There wouldn’t have been a “Great Depression” if the south would have won. All recessions/depressions are orchestrated by our fearless leaders…just like ‘08 and the one we’re experiencing today.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56919 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 1:45 pm to
Here is another thought.

The South wins but how much devastation did the South incur to achieve that win.

Where does the South get the money to rebuild?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:29 pm to
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All recessions/depressions are orchestrated by our fearless leaders…just like ‘08 and the one we’re experiencing today.



Does that also include the one that happened during Trump's administration?
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
14397 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:56 pm to
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Does that also include the one that happened during Trump's administration?


You mean when majority of the governors in this nation shut their entire states down?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:15 pm to
We’ve lost so much of what made us unique, which is sad.

My grandparents generation had beautiful Virginia accents, I have a standard American accent though.
Posted by Jesco
Houston
Member since May 2022
261 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:24 pm to
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