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Fight Fire With Fire, Only Solution

Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:22 am
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3181 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:22 am
I think Rudy Giuliani is about half way nuts now but when he took over in NY as mayor he cleaned that city up. Fought fire with fire. Cops were given carte blanche to stop, frisk, and clean up the city, and they did.

I realize we have some over zealous, dumbasses in law enforcement, but by God something needs to give in NOLA and B. R. and under the current administrations, it will only get worse.

At least in B. R. we have a competent sheriff. Same in Shreveport, Monroe, Lafayette, Lake Charles, Rapides. But the cities run by the Soros type mayors and police chiefs, appointed by said mayor, need a hot poker shoved up their rear.
Posted by WhereIsMyBestLife
Member since Feb 2023
19 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:25 am to
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Cops were given carte blanche to stop, frisk, and clean up the city, and they did.


Would never last now. Would be struck down by a judge within a week.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3181 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:31 am to
Let some judge strike it down but frick it, keep on doing it. These thugs get arrested, over and over, put in jail, have to make bail, etc., at least you bog them down for a while. Finally you might save a life or two along the way.

I know far left judges turn them out, but backlog their asses where they have to keep showing up for work rather than sitting in their off-limit office thrones. They are to blame as well.

Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
83375 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:32 am to
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At least in B. R. we have a competent sheriff


Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119305 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:34 am to
The only way to control animalistic behavior is to treat those that behave that way like animals.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
5289 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:35 am to
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Would never last now. Would be struck down by a judge within a week.


As well it should be, seeing how it’s unconstitutional.
There are flaws and perils with freedom. Security is one of them.

We have a cultural and character problem within our major American cities. No amount of laws or enforcement will change that. It’s been coming for many decades, and it began with the removal of the father from the family unit (drug war policies) coupled with the welfare state (great society). The road to hell is paved with good intentions I suppose.
Posted by Ampipe96
Member since Sep 2020
1350 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:36 am to
This soros guy must be something, he seems to be the world’s largest problem.
Our problems started 30 yrs ago with the white flight after desegregation.
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3181 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:36 am to
Everybody wants good law enforcement until it comes down to them or their family or friend, then they want pretty good law enforcement.

Society needs to turn their pompous assed eyes to the blind side and let the gestapo cops start dealing with this shite like it was dealt with generations ago.

Where I grew up cops tolerated us young punks on Friday and Saturday night until we got to rambunctious then they put the hammer down. But when someone was doing real crime, they tore that arse up and off to jail you went.
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
5621 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 10:38 am to
Broken windows theory worked so well that they figured out they could do the opposite. Just call everything racist, let minor crimes go unchecked and boom, shithole.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
10746 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:17 am to
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This Soros guy must be something


We have a SPECIAL PLACE picked out for GS.
Really special.
Q
Posted by WhereIsMyBestLife
Member since Feb 2023
19 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 11:31 am to
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As well it should be, seeing how it’s unconstitutional.
There are flaws and perils with freedom. Security is one of them.


I agree.

Stop and frisk made a dent but it didn't last.

The long term answer isnt tyrannical prevention, it's unashamed conviction.
Posted by zuluboudreaux
God’s country USA
Member since Jan 2008
678 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 1:22 pm to
Law enforcement can conduct a Terry stop using reasonable suspicion - very constitutional.

Louisiana Art. 215.1. Temporary questioning of persons in public places; frisk and search for weapons

A. A law enforcement officer may stop a person in a public place whom he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit an offense and may demand of him his name, address, and an explanation of his actions.

B. When a law enforcement officer has stopped a person for questioning pursuant to this Article and reasonably suspects that he is in danger, he may frisk the outer clothing of such person for a dangerous weapon. If the law enforcement officer reasonably suspects the person possesses a dangerous weapon, he may search the person. (Note that frisk is not the same as a search. An officer is limited in exactly how they frisk the suspect.)

C. If the law enforcement officer finds a dangerous weapon, he may take and keep it until the completion of the questioning, at which time he shall either return it, if lawfully possessed, or arrest such person.

D. During detention of an alleged violator of any provision of the motor vehicle laws of this state, an officer may not detain a motorist for a period of time longer than reasonably necessary to complete the investigation of the violation and issuance of a citation for the violation, absent reasonable suspicion of additional criminal activity. However, nothing herein shall prohibit a peace officer from compelling or instructing the motorist to comply with administrative or other legal requirements of Title 32 or Title 47 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950.
Added by Acts 1968, No. 305, §1. Amended by Acts 1982, No. 686, §1; Acts 1983, 1st Ex. Sess., No. 32, §1; Acts 1997, No. 759, §3, eff. July 10, 1997.
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:01 pm to
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think Rudy Giuliani is about half way nuts now


No, it’s just the people that think this are
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34756 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:27 pm to
Felon in possession of a firearm is an automatic five years.
Lock em up, and stop bargaining it away.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:37 pm to
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stop, frisk, 


BR and NOLA would need double the force just to compensate for the time spent.
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24599 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:39 pm to
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At least in B. R. we have a competent sheriff.


I won’t list any details but you obviously know nothing about your sheriff.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20882 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:47 pm to
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Would never last now. Would be struck down by a judge within a week.


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As well it should be, seeing how it’s unconstitutional.
There are flaws and perils with freedom. Security is one of them.

We have a cultural and character problem within our major American cities. No amount of laws or enforcement will change that. It’s been coming for many decades, and it began with the removal of the father from the family unit (drug war policies) coupled with the welfare state (great society).


This is naiive, IMO. Your civil rights are violated every time you are the victim of a crime. There is never going to be a solution that fixes what you correctly identify as the problem, widespread longterm cultural rot. You can either wield power against them or have them wield it against you. In places like New Orleans, they are currently wielding the power against you by maiming, killing, vandalizing, and stealing from the law abiding. Unless you can unfrick the last 60 years of family disintegration or amend the constituion to allow more invasive policing, your only option is to just use a heavier hand and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11093 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 2:53 pm to
I’ve read that crime went down in most cities in the 90’s same as it did in NYC, probably due to better economy. Broken Windows has a lot of critics, but that very well could be people trying to discredit Rudy Giuliani or William Bratton or a certain kind of policing.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:03 pm to
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Cops were given carte blanche to stop, frisk, and clean up the city, and they did.
yeah let's give Carte Blanche to a group of mouthbreathers.

I'm sure you love the militarization of police forces and the angst that has come along with it the last 2 decades.


Also NYC crime was going to cool off along with nearly every other major city in the US, independent of what Rudy was doing.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20119 posts
Posted on 2/26/23 at 3:11 pm to
Terry stop and frisk was ruled constitutional so long as there is articulable reasonable suspicion. (ie, less than probable cause).

Terry v. Ohio summary
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