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re: FDR was an awful president and MacArthur was an awful general.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:08 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:08 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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It eats you up that he's number 10, though. I do enjoy that.
What did Obama do that makes you believe he made the top 10 list of all presidents.
I’ll hang up and listen.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:09 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Kennedy at #8 makes that list a fricking joke.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:22 pm to Jake88
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Kennedy at #8 makes that list a fricking joke.
Getting a moonroof in your head does wonders for how people remember you.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:26 pm to BuckyCheese
Ahead of Reagan too.
Shows how these polls are voted on by "experts" who don't really give a shite. They don't really know how to rate the earlier presidents either.
Shows how these polls are voted on by "experts" who don't really give a shite. They don't really know how to rate the earlier presidents either.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:48 pm to dawgfan24348
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The Depression actually worsened under FDR in '37 & '38 because of his socialistic policies
It wasn’t going to be an instant fix, it did ultimately get us out and he’ll save the economy
It did not. The post above yours is correct. Things actually got worse in the late 30s. WWII is what got us out of the Depression.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:51 pm to grizzlylongcut
McArthur deserted his men and to provide morale from a couple arse kickings FDR gave him an award
frick both of them
McArthur killed more Americans because he wanted to island hop and not let Lemay and Nimitz do their job
frick both of them
McArthur killed more Americans because he wanted to island hop and not let Lemay and Nimitz do their job
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:54 pm to sms151t
100% MacArthur was all about himself. He killed more Americans with his seperate island hopping strat. Imagine if he worked with the Navy and Marines instead of draining resources.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:55 pm to Pooturd
quote:Shut up dumbass.
Pooturd
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:14 pm to Taxing Authority
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If this worked… we could simply give half the unemployed jobs digging holes. Give the other half filling in the holes, and never have unemployment again.
That is literally my point in my posts. I guess I didn’t say it clearly because a lot of people are arguing about whether or not his programs were good. I’m trying to say his policies and “solutions” created some of the long term problems we have today.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:58 pm to Jake88
Yes I know all that. I’m not arguing that the new deal worked. The fed spending didn’t work, or at best didn’t work much. But again, people in the 30s didn’t have hindsight and didn’t really understand economics as fully as today. The Depression was crushing people and if the TSA can hire some men for a while to build a damn or if the WPA can hire some men to dig a hole and hire another crew to fill it up then those men can put food on the table. So it really should be easy to see why and how the new deal was passed and why it was popular to the millions who voted for FDR four times.
Did not seem like laissez faire was working prior to the new deal.
Did not seem like laissez faire was working prior to the new deal.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 12:17 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:00 am to LongueCarabine
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WWII is what got us out of the Depression.
By…government spending and putting men to work? WWII was a giant New Deal program?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:15 am to biglego
That's a point a lot of critics miss entirely. Whatever the economic merits or lack thereof, there were a great many desperate unemployed men wondering how they were going to feed their families. The new Deal put them on payrolls and gave them a little hope instead of hanging out in the street listening to some rabble-rouser promising them a future in the coming revolution.
The choice wasn't between the New Deal and Capitalism. The choice was between the New Deal and something much more radical. For every critic who thought Roosevelt was going too far, there were even more critics who thought he wasn't going far enough. FDRs biggest threat in the 1936 election wouldn't have been from the GOP, it would have been from Huey Long, who wanted to confiscate all personal fortunes greater than ten million dollars and nationalize most industries.
The choice wasn't between the New Deal and Capitalism. The choice was between the New Deal and something much more radical. For every critic who thought Roosevelt was going too far, there were even more critics who thought he wasn't going far enough. FDRs biggest threat in the 1936 election wouldn't have been from the GOP, it would have been from Huey Long, who wanted to confiscate all personal fortunes greater than ten million dollars and nationalize most industries.
This post was edited on 10/28/21 at 1:35 am
Posted on 10/28/21 at 12:23 am to Jim Rockford
Exactly. Desperate times drive people to desperate measures. Men must work. When huge numbers of men can’t find work, and they’re watching their kids go hungry, well that’s a recipe for upheaval.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:40 am to biglego
Mac Arthur was not such a good military general but he was a pretty good military governor.
He understood the Japanese pretty well and did a good job there post war and in peacetime in the Philippines he was good, he loved the people and the country.
He understood the Japanese pretty well and did a good job there post war and in peacetime in the Philippines he was good, he loved the people and the country.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 1:46 am to antibarner
You can still stay in the MacArthur Suite at the Manila Hotel LINK
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:00 am to grizzlylongcut
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FDR was an awful president and MacArthur was an awful general.
I'll see your FDR/MacArthur and raise you Biden/Milley.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 2:57 am to jscrims
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FDR created government jobs to give people employment
It has always been completely mind blowing to me that the government used to at least make a job for someone, something where there are hopefully at least A LITTLE productive for this country. Whether it be through helping build a hydroelectric dam or through digging a ditch.
Now we just skip all that and give them the money directly, forget the job part
How in THE frick does this make any sense UNLESS you just want to frick things up??
Posted on 10/28/21 at 6:44 am to biglego
Again, the unemployment rate hardly decreased because of the New Deal. It was tax cuts following WW2 that truly pulled the country out of the Depression. FDR was dead at that time.
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:18 am to biglego
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The Depression was crushing people
The Depression was crushing people even harder directly due to the US government's actions. In no way does raising taxes through the fricking roof ever result in economic growth. It doesn't take Milton Freidman to know that.
FDR was no different than any other leftist, never saw something he didn't want to tax.
How about that ICC too?
Posted on 10/28/21 at 8:21 am to Jim Rockford
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there were even more critics who thought he wasn't going far enough.
Communists and socialists.
No one in their right mind would agree.
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