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re: FDR was an awful president and MacArthur was an awful general.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 6:46 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 10/27/21 at 6:46 pm to grizzlylongcut
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FDR was an awful president and MacArthur was an awful general.
Correct on both counts.
MacArthur let his love of, and payments from, the Philippines guide his strategy which cost the lives of thousands of US soldiers and led to the destruction of Manilla costing the lives of 10's of thousands of civilians.
Dugout Doug is our most overrated general.
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 6:50 pm to biglego
quote:Unemployment went from 25% to 20% in 6-7 years. Not a success.
Then the government will create some. That’s something.
quote:Good lord, this is how leftists refer to their failures. "At least we tried!".
That’s something. Not a cure but at least an attempt, an effort.
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On May 6, 1939, Henry Morgenthau, Roosevelt’s treasury secretary, confirmed the total failure of the New Deal to stop the Great Depression: “We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!”
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 6:54 pm to grizzlylongcut
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FDR was an awful president
Don’t rag on OweO’s favorite President.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:00 pm to biglego
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It’s easy to Monday morning QB but think about what the people of the 1930s we’re going through. They didn’t have the advantage of hindsight but they knew they were suffering. No jobs? Then the government will create some. That’s something.
The government fricking prolonged it by taxing the shite out of everything they could get their hands on and killing opportunity. Because that's what leftist pieces of shite do.
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That’s something. Not a cure but at least an attempt, an effort.
Yeah, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:04 pm to AbitaFan08
FDR began the welfare society. That's bad enough, but he allowed Communists agents and sympathizers into the government (McCarthy was right).
MacArthur had several hours of warning after the attack on Pearl Harbor, yet still neglected to disperse his air assets, resulting in most of them being destroyed on the ground.
MacArthur had several hours of warning after the attack on Pearl Harbor, yet still neglected to disperse his air assets, resulting in most of them being destroyed on the ground.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:04 pm to grizzlylongcut
FDR is damn near unanimously a top five president in any poll of historians. He wasn't elected to an unprecedented fourth term by his contemporaries for no reason. If not for FDR, we may be speaking a different language or living a 2nd world lifestyle right now.
Social Security has been abused by Congress for decades...the idea itself was a necessity. You can't be a civilized society while your elders are dying on the streets, homeless and starving. The Depression was a direct result of unadulterated capitalism, and it wasn't a pretty sight.
FDR was a capitalist through and through, but also recognized you couldn't run a society on unabated/unregulated capitalist principles.
As to MacArthur, from what I've read he basically went from being a brilliant tactician and leader to something akin to Colonel Kurtz...ate up with war, violence, death, and living a different reality than the rest of us.
Social Security has been abused by Congress for decades...the idea itself was a necessity. You can't be a civilized society while your elders are dying on the streets, homeless and starving. The Depression was a direct result of unadulterated capitalism, and it wasn't a pretty sight.
FDR was a capitalist through and through, but also recognized you couldn't run a society on unabated/unregulated capitalist principles.
As to MacArthur, from what I've read he basically went from being a brilliant tactician and leader to something akin to Colonel Kurtz...ate up with war, violence, death, and living a different reality than the rest of us.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:10 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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MacCarthy was right
If we've learned anything in the last ten years or so, it's that Joe McCarthy has been completely vindicated.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:16 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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If not for FDR, we may be speaking a different language or living a 2nd world lifestyle right now.
lol, no.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:20 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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FDR is damn near unanimously a top five president in any poll of historians. He wasn't elected to an unprecedented fourth term by his contemporaries for no reason. If not for FDR, we may be speaking a different language or living a 2nd world lifestyle right now.
Social Security has been abused by Congress for decades...the idea itself was a necessity. You can't be a civilized society while your elders are dying on the streets, homeless and starving. The Depression was a direct result of unadulterated capitalism, and it wasn't a pretty sight.
FDR was a capitalist through and through, but also recognized you couldn't run a society on unabated/unregulated capitalist principles.
FDR is a bottom five president in the real world. I don't give a shite what some historian says. He was a massive piece of shite and didn't see a single word of the US Constitution that he didn't want to wipe his arse with at a moment's notice. We most assuredly would be 1000000x better off had he not been president during the depression. He prolonged it by years and then in turn, what did we get for him prolonging it? One of the largest, most steaming piles of shite ever thought up, social security. What he did was create a permanent class that is dependent on taxpayer dollars.
He was as anti-capitalist a president as we've ever had. He was a piece of shite and if Wilson planted the seed for massive government spending and leftism in government, then Roosevelt is the person that got the ball rolling. frick him, he deserves all the ridicule that is thrown his way.
But of course, you've never met a massive left wing jackass that you wouldn't gladly felate.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:25 pm to grizzlylongcut
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FDR is a bottom five president in the real world. I don't give a shite what some historian says.
Well, I guess I should ignore the historians and take the word of some dumbass who names himself after the brand of dip he uses.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:28 pm to mmmmmbeeer
quote:The historians love his government growth, but as noted above, he couldn't get us out of the depression. Any president would have done fine during WWII.
Well, I guess I should ignore the historians and take the word of some dumbass who names himself after the brand of dip he uses
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:30 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Well, I guess I should ignore the historians and take the word of some dumbass who names himself after the brand of dip he uses.
Yeah, a bunch of historians that also put people like Barack Obama and Lyndon Baines Johnson in the top 10 all time presidents. Excuse me if I don't take their words or point of views seriously on the matter.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:32 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Yeah, a bunch of historians that also put people like Barack Obama and Lyndon Baines Johnson in the top 10 all time presidents. Excuse me if I don't take their words or point of views seriously on the matter.
You understand that they poll historians of all political stripes, right?
Obama hasn't made the top 10. If he eventually does, it'll be due to the Great Recession.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:35 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Obama hasn't made the top 10. If he eventually does, it'll be due to the Great Recession.
I mean, I'm not sure what lists you're looking at because the ones I'm looking at most certainly do.
What about the Great Recession and his job during it makes you believe that he is a good president?
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:38 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I mean, I'm not sure what lists you're looking at because the ones I'm looking at most certainly do.
Looks like he did break in at #10 this year.
Poll
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:42 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Best part about you having to walk that back is that it's the first link on the google search. So that tells me that you formed a conclusion before you actually knew what the hell you were talking about.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 7:53 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Best part about you having to walk that back is that it's the first link on the google search. So that tells me that you formed a conclusion before you actually knew what the hell you were talking about.
Totally "got me", dude. I guess I should've Googled it like you did instead of relying on my memory and not realizing a new list that moved him from 12 to 10 was released 4 months ago.
It eats you up that he's number 10, though. I do enjoy that.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:00 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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It eats you up that he's number 10, though. I do enjoy that.
In the sense that him being anywhere near the top 45 is a completely inaccurate narrative painted by "historians" then yeah, it does kinda piss me off. Just like "historians" espousing the 1619 project and CRT. I don't respect liars.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:02 pm to Cosmo
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FDR and LBJ are most responsible for todays social issues
Anyone in history can destroyed under a biased microscope. The absurd Showtime four part hit piece on the Reagans is a comical example.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:07 pm to red sox fan 13
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FDR did what he had to do to get us out of the Depression.
FDR didn’t get us out of the Great Depression, WWII got us out of the Great Depression.
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