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re: FDA finally names dog food brands linked to deadly heart disease in dogs

Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:44 am to
Posted by GumbeauxGuy
Kingwood
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:44 am to
My wife and I thought we were doing good by giving our small dog the "healthy" dog food. Nutro was our choice. The problem was that she was gaining weight even though we were very careful with her portion control. About 4-5 months ago we started making her food with fresh turkey, peas and carrots, brown rice and sweet potato. I have never seen this dog so excited to get a meal, absolutely loves her new food and she has lost about 4 lbs, she was 16 lbs and is now 12. Huge loss for a small dog. I will never again buy dog food from the store for one of my pets.
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6582 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:44 am to
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erhaps it's time to let go of the fad, boutique grain free diets until we can figure out what exactly is causing this disease.



Yes, but these foods are, in their strictest sense, curating an authentic, more natural death experience modern canines have ceased enjoying in the over-medicalized world of today's veterinarian focus.

Speaking for the hipsters, of course.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:44 am to
Haha we just switched to Acana so it looks like we're going back to Merrick

Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46517 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:45 am to
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With the release of this article, my vet probably just sent me an office visit bill. Go figure the expensive shite they were peddling didn't work.


That sounds like a your vet problem. Most vets don’t suggest those brands.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:46 am to
My dog must have a death wish. She won't eat grain food anymore. In fact, she's not even particularly interested in any grain-free options other than the Whole Hearted Salmon and pea recipe.

Whole Hearted isn't on the list, but it sounds like it falls into the category of those that are.

She's 7 years into an estimated 10 year lifespan for her size and breed, though. I doubt what kills her will be the heart issue.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:46 am to
Nobody using science diet anymore?
Posted by CHSTigersFan
Charleston, Arkansas
Member since Jan 2005
2738 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:47 am to
I wonder if any of the ingredients are sourced from China.....
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
11170 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:49 am to
Give my pup Natures Recipe
Posted by Sheepdog1833
Member since Feb 2019
779 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:50 am to
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Dr. Alexia Heldman, director of veterinary affairs for Diamond Pet Foods, which owns Taste of the Wild, said in a telephone interview, "Over the last year, there have been a lot of theories .... Where we are now, there are more questions unanswered than there were a year ago." Heldman said Taste of the Wild is the largest brand of grain-free food, noting that 29 million bags have been sold in the U.S. since September 2017. She said that 53 reports of disease cases should be considered in the context of sales. "If the numbers were presented as a percentage of bags sold, we would be at the other end of the list," Heldman said.


This is such a small number of cases that they haven’t even connected to the issue.
Should they continue to look into it? Sure. But I don’t think people need to throw away their dog food based on this “report”.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
61054 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:55 am to
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my Sibe


Posted by Tiger-Striped-Bass
The Bay Area
Member since Dec 2004
1273 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:58 am to
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Surprised any of the Purina brands aren't on there.


Those listed are the ones most reported. Those are numbers of cases reported where the dog was fed that brand. There are cases involving Purina. I found this 77 page FDA report with each reported case in a list/table. I already see PurinaOne listed for one entry. I haven't looked closely at the whole list, but the numbers in the OP graph may have as much to do with how popular each brand is, and not necessarily indicative of severity by brand. For example, I never heard of Rachel Ray dog food. I can't imagine it has the distribution of some of the others listed. Another factor hidden in the numbers may be that the more expensive food buyers, may be more inclined to spend the money at the vet to get the actual DCM diagnosis, as opposed to a cheap food owner not doing so.

FDA - all reported cases with breed, age, and food brand assigned

For the record, I've had a mixed terrier from a shelter for 10 years, estimated to be 2 years when we got her-12 yrs old now. First few years we did the grocery store brands (pedigree, purina, hills), but the scratching/skin irritation was ridiculous. I read an article about grain being a possible cause, so we switched to Taste of the Wild, as it was one of the cheaper grain frees at the time. It helped dramatically with the scratching. We've been feeding it for about seven years now. These reports are concerning, but having had no issues in seven years, and with a now 12 year old dog, I'm undecided as to change or not, especially when there's no corroborating data other than cases reported. Sales numbers would do a lot to help quantify those numbers

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Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 10:59 am to
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This is such a small number of cases that they haven’t even connected to the issue.


Small number of cases that have actually been worked up and diagnosed.

Veterinary services are usually out of pocket expenses and you're looking at no less than 600-$1000 to get the echocardiogram from the cardiologist. Very few people would even accept the referral offer from their general practice vet. We don't know the actual number of cases.


Lots of folks here asking what food I would or wouldn't use. Until this all gets sorted out I would avoid any grain free option unless my dog specifically needed it for some medical reason. Lots of options out there so why even risk it (and usually spend more $$ per bag for it)?
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46517 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:03 am to
Like you said those are known cases. It’s likely there are vets out there that may not even be aware of this and diagnosing it as something else.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:04 am to
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29 million bags

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53 reports


Yeah, I'll stick with Taste of the Wild. It has been great for my pup and his fight with skin yeast.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24211 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:08 am to
you couldn’t be more off base, Mr. Fat BeardedTexan stereotype
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58219 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:15 am to
My dog scratches his fur out and his eyes drain a lot if I don't use grain free.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:17 am to
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My dog scratches his fur out and his eyes drain a lot if I don't use grain free.


Yea, mine used to lick her paws raw and hairless. It stopped when we switched. It could have just been a coincidence, bad allergy season or whatever, but it was recommended and it seemed to do the trick.
Posted by Jobin
Member since May 2009
3598 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:18 am to
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If you don't feed Victor you need to switch

This guy gets it.
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
2532 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:20 am to
We've been using Sportmix 26/18 for years. All of dogs love it, even the picky eaters. it comes in kibble-size bites so it goes further.

We get ours at Tractor Supply, and they also sell other Sportmix as well. We pay about $24 for a 44 lb bag.
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10731 posts
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:21 am to
fricking Purina baby.
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