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re: F cancer, F insurance companies, and F big pharma!!!
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:32 am to Rouge
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:32 am to Rouge
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Vost-benefit analysis tells me that it would never have been developed
Stop trying to act smart
So you are saying there are no medicines for rare diseases? Interesting theory
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Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:34 am to Phat Phil
Have you taken a look at health care in other countries? I’m almost certain that you don’t know what you are talking about.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
This may have been true at one time, but now rights to the drug may have been purchased by Valeant or Turing or someone who raised the price from $200 to $15,000.
I had this happen, fortunately on a much smaller scale. Child had an ear infection, Doc prescribed antibiotic drops. He tells me, "These used to cost $10, but now you'll pay $100 thanks to the new owner".
I had this happen, fortunately on a much smaller scale. Child had an ear infection, Doc prescribed antibiotic drops. He tells me, "These used to cost $10, but now you'll pay $100 thanks to the new owner".
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:36 am to slackster
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Start an ethical, not for profit pharmaceutical company and let me know how it goes.
It's terrible, I know, but what's the alternative?
I am not arguing ethics at all, I'm arguing from a business perspective...how many people out there have the type of cancer that their drug is affective against and out of that small group of people how many can afford it?
Off the bat, they've already alienated perspective customers based on price and not need...just don't see the point.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:37 am to SoulGlo
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Throwing the government in the mix makes it even worse.
False. The reason why we pay so much is a lack of govt intervention.
How do they have your brain so twisted on this issue that you believe the opposite of reality?
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:38 am to jgoodw318
Since this appears to be a matter of life and death, your aunt should retain a competent, aggressive attorney to contest the coverage decision.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:39 am to Powerman
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We spend more per capita than any other first world country and we don't have anywhere near the best health care
Would Britain or Canada throw down $15,000 a month for everyone of their citizens that needed it? Do they get the medicine for cheaper there? Genuinely curious.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:39 am to BowDownToLSU
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These pharmaceutical companies stand to lose a lot of money if a cure is out there
Think about how much they charge for drugs that keep it at bay and make people feel awful.
Now imagine what they would charge for a cure.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:40 am to BowDownToLSU
quote:This is fricking stupid. If there was a cure, there wouldn't be one that cures all cancer. If there was a cure the company that came up with it is not going to sit on it when they stand to make trillions.
I’m not big into conspiracies but I’m not one hundred percent sure that their isn’t a cure. These pharmaceutical companies stand to lose a lot of money if a cure is out there...
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:41 am to Masterag
Ummmm, are you seriously saying the healthcare industry lacks govt intervention?
It is by an order of magnitude the most regulated industry on the planet. Like 40% of Americans get their health insurance through the government
It is by an order of magnitude the most regulated industry on the planet. Like 40% of Americans get their health insurance through the government
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:41 am to Masterag
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False. The reason why we pay so much is a lack of govt intervention.
How do they have your brain so twisted on this issue that you believe the opposite of reality?
The probable thing is neither of you know what the frick your talking about and making a decision on this issue based on which party your affiliated with.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:42 am to SoulGlo
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But WHY is it 15k?
Someone else is paying for it. There is no market, so costs go out of control. Throwing the government in the mix makes it even worse.
This guy gets it!
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:43 am to Sun God
quote:You'd probably die from it before you get your CT scan. Cancer survival rates are higher in the US compared to Britain and Canada.
Would Britain or Canada throw down $15,000 a month for everyone of their citizens that needed it? Do they get the medicine for cheaper there? Genuinely curious.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:43 am to Sun God
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Would Britain or Canada throw down $15,000 a month for everyone of their citizens that needed it?
No
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Do they get the medicine for cheaper there? Genuinely curious
Sometimes. It depends, they're equivalent of the FDA has different standards so in could be cheaper to develop a drug, but it's also probably been tested less.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:46 am to Sun God
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Would Britain or Canada throw down $15,000 a month for everyone of their citizens that needed it? Do they get the medicine for cheaper there?
1. Their govts don’t accept bribes from pharma companies in order to keep price ceilings non existent.
2. Their govts negotiate exponentially cheaper prices for their citizenry
We pay a shitload more. This is monopoly, not a normal market so we can’t treat it like one. All these companies make an arm and a leg off Americans and our govt does nothing cause they’re paid to do nothing.
A monopolist will charge whatever the hell they want up to and until govt intervention. In such cases it’s necessary.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:49 am to DmitriKaramazov
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Since this appears to be a matter of life and death, your aunt should retain a competent, aggressive attorney to contest the coverage decision.
+1
Most definitely
Sorry you and your family have to deal with this nightmare situation.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:51 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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The probable thing is neither of you know what the frick your talking about and making a decision on this issue based on which party your affiliated with.
I know economics. And I know pharma is the biggest donor to American politicians. They’re getting something for their money and it’s exactly the conditions they want.
It’s pretty simple.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:54 am to jgoodw318
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jgoodw318
My condolences to your family. I really hope something great happens for y’all and this gets resolved with a positive outcome.
Posted on 10/20/18 at 10:59 am to Phat Phil
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We have the WORST healthcare system in the world when you look the cost and accessibility for average people.
I agree our Healthcare system is jacked, especially prices, but which country with socialized medicine would pay $15,000/month for medication for a citizen?
Posted on 10/20/18 at 11:00 am to Masterag
quote:Great. Isn't England rationing Harvoni and treating only 10,000 people per year when they have 220,000 people with chronic Hepatitis C?
1. Their govts don’t accept bribes from pharma companies in order to keep price ceilings non existent.
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