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re: Evidence over hysteria--COVID19---long read
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:47 am to ashy larry
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:47 am to ashy larry
What makes Fauci the end all be all and immune from questioning regarding all of this? I am not willing to destroy myself based only on the gospel of Anthony of DC. Anthony gets paid no matter what happens. His decisions along with Mother Birx are affecting decisions that impact REAL people and that our politicos run with. We should and must ask these questions. These people work for us, they need to be held accountable.
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:52 am to ABearsFanNMS
He can’t and he won’t. He jut wanted to take a jab at DJT without any substantiated evidence that a country our size population or geographic wise could handle this any better than we have. Pathetic.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:20 am to ashy larry
quote:Not all leading epidemiologists believe the hype. Dr. Ionannidis is probably one of the top 5 in the country and he is skeptical of the reaction to this.
In this thread: people willing to believe what is basically a blog post from a partisan over World leading experts in their field
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ashy larry
You got enough TP, baw? You may want to run out and grab some more.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:58 am to BPTiger
quote:This is crazy.
Medium has already taken down the post.
People who want more data before ruining the livelihoods of millions of Americans (just the first week there have been 250,000 more applications for unemployment than normal and that number is going to rise sharply as well.)
This is starting to reek of the bullshite "Listen and believe" feminist garbage.
I am chicken littling as well, but differently than the OT. I am concerned for the lives that will be lost to suicide when the inevitable recession hits.
I also am concerned that when this does all blow over, people will start saying that the government saved them and that it would have been better if the government had more power.
frick that, if anything this has shown how pathetic the government has been. The lack of testing leaves us making decisions in the dark. The FDA has relaxed it's own overzealous regulations so that the private sector can tackle this lack of testing and treatment faster.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:04 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Yep, neat how this happened, isn't it?
I've been reading this article daily for a week. Went to check the updated numbers this morning, and now it can no longer be updated.
Doesn't fit the Democrat/China/Foreign Enemy/MSM narrative. Has to go.
We MUST have hysteria instead.
If you think these people on the left really want this fixed, just watch the next press conference with Trump. Also, go back and look at what these same media fricks were saying in January.
If Hillary was POTUS, life as normal would be going on. This wouldn't be a blip on the radar.
I've been reading this article daily for a week. Went to check the updated numbers this morning, and now it can no longer be updated.
Doesn't fit the Democrat/China/Foreign Enemy/MSM narrative. Has to go.
We MUST have hysteria instead.
If you think these people on the left really want this fixed, just watch the next press conference with Trump. Also, go back and look at what these same media fricks were saying in January.
If Hillary was POTUS, life as normal would be going on. This wouldn't be a blip on the radar.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:26 am to BayouBengalRubicon
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Quarantine the boomers and at risk people, let the rest of the world continue to move.
Agreed, but no need to quarantine healthy boomers. My wife and I are 57, and we are not the least concerned with getting the Wuhan virus. I could outrun all of you whippersnappers...except maybe the ones who are faster than me.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:27 am to ashy larry
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Instead the president was not only ignoring it, but he was running around publically denying this for almost two months.
Ahh, so you are one of those arse holes that shares an article on Facebook and just sees the headline.
Don't forget, The president enacted a travel ban in fricking January, after we had our first confirmed case. And what did idiots like you do? Cry racism. He then shut down travel from Europe, and they cried again. Then every one finally says, oh shite we need to shut our borders down.
He's the only world leader with balls. Even Italians said they paid a price because of the optics of looking racists.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:28 am to JCinBAMA
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JCinBAMA
What is the point of that link? THAT is not the data the OP was discussing. For the past months governments have been doing statistical sampling. Where is that data?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:33 am to LSURussian
I like that, but I think it’s a product of testing numbers. No way that India has done that well in containment.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:34 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Nice to see a per capita graph. We are definitely handling this much better than Italy.
That graph is meaningless. It is affected more by rates of testing than by rates of infection. Get your eyes off of rates (and numbers) of infections, and focus on the number of cases requiring hospitalization. Until we have more tests than we can use, the number of active cases will be meaningless.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 10:36 am to High C
Medium may have taken down this post but the troublemakers at zerohedge have it.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:00 am to Penrod
FWIW, I'm a physician and I certainly believe in data, and feel strongly that we have to be careful with purely anecdotal experience. I've been conflicted on how to feel about the which direction to go in order to stem the COVID-19 tide, but have fallen over to the side of take significant measures first, ask questions later. I read this, looked over it twice, had my physician wife read it as well and discussed it, and I think there is a lot in there that is hard to look past.
I'm applying this to what I'm seeing in my community, and specifically in my hospital system (I'm in the hospital every day), and reading it actually makes me feel more optimistic about the COVID-19 situation (though not the social and economic impact of what has transpired). I'm not saying I'm all in, but the logic, the data presented and the sources appear valid to me.
Government functionaries (even scientists) do indeed have a stake in not failing spectacularly. How does one generally avoid not failing spectacularly? One way is by being overcautious. I think there is a chance many state and local governments are applying measures that are certainly applicable in some locales (NYC, Seattle, LA, SF, NOLA), but perhaps not across the board. We may never know the answer to this question, because if the outbreak slows, then then officials will point to the measures instituted as the source of the solution as opposed to just what might be the natural history of the disease (ie, the normal distribution or bell curve). I can site numerous examples of things we do in my specialty that appear to be effective but may very well not be the actual reason for a particular outcome.
The line between personal freedom and government paternalism here is very, very fine. I don't know the answer, but I'm darn sure willing to look at a variety of different viewpoints to form an opinion as opposed to just listening to what I'm seeing on TV, especially when I can be shown data to support a particular position.
I'm applying this to what I'm seeing in my community, and specifically in my hospital system (I'm in the hospital every day), and reading it actually makes me feel more optimistic about the COVID-19 situation (though not the social and economic impact of what has transpired). I'm not saying I'm all in, but the logic, the data presented and the sources appear valid to me.
Government functionaries (even scientists) do indeed have a stake in not failing spectacularly. How does one generally avoid not failing spectacularly? One way is by being overcautious. I think there is a chance many state and local governments are applying measures that are certainly applicable in some locales (NYC, Seattle, LA, SF, NOLA), but perhaps not across the board. We may never know the answer to this question, because if the outbreak slows, then then officials will point to the measures instituted as the source of the solution as opposed to just what might be the natural history of the disease (ie, the normal distribution or bell curve). I can site numerous examples of things we do in my specialty that appear to be effective but may very well not be the actual reason for a particular outcome.
The line between personal freedom and government paternalism here is very, very fine. I don't know the answer, but I'm darn sure willing to look at a variety of different viewpoints to form an opinion as opposed to just listening to what I'm seeing on TV, especially when I can be shown data to support a particular position.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:05 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
Quality post.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:06 am to I B Freeman
The article has been removed.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:14 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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BigPapi
Did you read the twitter thread someone posted on pg2 that seeks to discredit much of the conclusions in the article? What are your thoughts on that?
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:26 am to MiloDanglers
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Did you read the twitter thread someone posted on pg2 that seeks to discredit much of the conclusions in the article? What are your thoughts on that?
His first attempt to discredit the info is to attack his lack of medical credentials, appeal to authority, and a littering of personal attacks.
In the end, the numbers won’t lie...
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:40 am to MiloDanglers
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Did you read the twitter thread someone posted on pg2 that seeks to discredit much of the conclusions in the article? What are your thoughts on that?
I did not read it, I saw this thread on the medium piece and didn't have time to go through the whole thing, and skipped straight to the back end. I don't even know what the feeling on this thread is, just giving my $.02. When I get back home this afternoon, I'll give it a look.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 11:43 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Nice to see a per capita graph. We are definitely handling this much better than Italy.
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:14 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Looking at those graphs, why were people saying that Germany was doing a much better job than the US? I don't see that at all.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:45 pm to noonan
Germany has under .6% death rate. Why? Because overall Germany has good infrastructure
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