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re: Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?

Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:02 pm to
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:02 pm to
those cities are older that ours, they have a more centralized center. When I have ridden the trains in Europe, I usually get dropped off close to where I would need to be. We have suburbs that are an hour to 90 minutes from where the train station is, at that point they would just drive to the airport.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:03 pm to
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The vast majority of cars are going to be fully self driving eventually.


You are looking at it all wrong

Modern kids have playgroups so parents are FREE chauffeurs to school, sports, and activities so kids grow up with less independence and more expectations of being driven.
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:04 pm to
Because train nuts are not aerodynamic in the US.
Posted by HeadCall
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:05 pm to
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New orleans to Atlanta would stay packed but otherwise I don't see cross country passenger rail ever catching on here.


You couldn’t see one working DFW-Houston-San Antonio-Austin? I’m talking about a true high speed that doesn’t stop anywhere but the largest cities along the way. Obviously the trick is to make it efficient and affordable.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:05 pm to
High speed rail works best as point to point and 600 miles or less

Air works better over 600 miles and odd destinations
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Because public transportation is for trash

Even flying is becoming unbearable. It needs to be way more expensive.

I wouldn’t say “it’s for trash” but flying aside, it has been a secondary mode for a long time.

And as you say, commercial flying sucks more and more every year and is not helping the argument for an additional public transit option.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:07 pm to
Having taken an Amtrak from NOLA to DC, I can assure you that no one wants to be stuck on one of those things for a cross country trip, high speed or not.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9981 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:07 pm to
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DFW/Houston/San Antonio

Ok, you get off the hypothetical Houston to DFW train near, say, Love Field. Now what? You gonna take a local to Plano? How are you getting to your hotel from the office? Oh, use Uber or rent a car, you say? Oh wait, you need trillions of dollars in right of way land takings, multi-millions of dollars a mile to run track (depending on where), local connectors, local rail (more trillions). Retards.

There are flights every 30m between HOU and DAL. There are nine flights a day between DAL and SAT. There are multiple "luxury" bus lines between all three.

Even in Europe, train travel can be a total fricking disaster. Try crossing the Alps and see how long things take. Germany to Warsaw should be a pretty quick trip, it was for the Wehrmacht. Oh no, it's a 13-22 hour train ride from Frankfurt to Warsaw, or a 2 hour flight.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:08 pm to
There's been talk of adding Amtrak rail service between Louisville and Chicago. I'd be down for it, especially given once I'm in Chicago I never drive my car and it stays parked at the hotel (and parking in Downtown Chicago isn't cheap).
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:08 pm to
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For the same reason that Australia doesn't.


Australia is 85% unhabited. To fly from one major city to the next cost as much as leaving the country. They are so far an apart the railway is meaningless.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:09 pm to
Not high speed rail
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78780 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:10 pm to
Dont see australia or canadas map.


Also barely the UK.


One thing about china though, they get what they want because there is no democracy. The government can do what it wants, spend the money where it wants.

If ccp wants high speed rail, they dont give a flying frick what anyone else says and sure as frick wont be funding other countries bullshite over their railways.


This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:10 pm to
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couldn’t see one working DFW-Houston-San Antonio-Austin? I’m talking about a true high speed that doesn’t stop anywhere but the largest cities along the way. Obviously the trick is to make it efficient and affordable.


Surely it could be made to "work" as long as you ignore the economics of it. I just don't see it being viable. We're already built around air travel.
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
2908 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:10 pm to
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those cities are older that ours, they have a more centralized center. When I have ridden the trains in Europe, I usually get dropped off close to where I would need to be. We have suburbs that are an hour to 90 minutes from where the train station is, at that point they would just drive to the airport.



China has built dozens of new mega cities the last few decades and gave them high speed rail.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:10 pm to
America is a car culture you're not changing that
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
18247 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:10 pm to
Because you're all afraid of "undesirables" showing up in your towns.

That's why Gwinnett county near Atlanta would never allow Marta up there though they definitely live there now.

Have no idea why Americans are so afraid of mass transit
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9981 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:11 pm to
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commercial flying sucks more and more every year


It really doesn't. It kicked off with mask mandates, for the most part, and was fueled by the lawlessness started by BLM and extended to anyone of any race, and then magnified by everyone wanting their ATL fight video on WorldStarHipHop. And emotional support animals.

And it's still better than being on a Greyhound.
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
1808 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:11 pm to
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Ok, you get off the hypothetical Houston to DFW train near, say, Love Field. Now what? You gonna take a local to Plano? How are you getting to your hotel from the office? Oh, use Uber or rent a car, you say? Oh wait, you need trillions of dollars in right of way land takings, multi-millions of dollars a mile to run track (depending on where), local connectors, local rail (more trillions). Retards.


You sure are angry. It’s probably just frustration from sitting in bumper to bumper traffic everyday. If you had a train ride you could take a nice leisurely stroll down to the bar car and have a cocktail to take the edge off.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
1362 posts
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:12 pm to
It's kind of a regional government project with a federal government budget, so no one wants to pay for it. We are more private and secluded than Europe and Asia. Asian people are respectful of property, our people would vandalize and urinate on it. I could see Texas building one between their big cities. The northeast and west coast is the other place that would actually use it a lot, but the west coast doesn't have as much as a hard work culture and the northeast already has the amtrak. If there's no monetary incentive, it won't get done. Railroads and highways can be used to ship goods and commerce, it seems like the high speed rail is mainly for personal use and commuting.

China is a developing communist country, so it's easy for them to decide to fund a project like that. Japan is very rich, technologically advanced, and relatively small. A high speed rail can service their whole country pretty easily. Europe is perfectly set up for highspeed rail. The amount of tourists they get every year that want to travel around the big cities alone is enough to justify a system like this. They also have adventurous traveling culture with lots of free time from work.

I wonder if the distance from their cities, which was likely established by distance on horseback is much more advantageous than USA city distance, that was established by car driving distance. Like, high speed rail from chicago to new orleans is not going to be better than a flight.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:13 pm to
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BluegrassBelle


Probably before you were born but L&N was a major player in Civil War to WW II era. Louisville had the Auto Train, greatest thing ever.

Packed your car for a Florida vacation
Loaded your car on train
Board train with family and had some nice travel days
In Florida they unloaded your car (luggage inside) so no rental car charges on vacation

Chicago to Nashville (Indianapolis and Louisville in between) would be a great high speed corridor
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