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re: Ever wonder why the suicide rates for veterans are so high?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:03 pm to JiminyCricket
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:03 pm to JiminyCricket
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One of the reasons I never post for someone to kill themselves on here. You truly don’t know what somebody is going through and it’s not a joke nor funny to throw that out there.
For you to even have to say this quote is pitiful. You should NEVER send a post for anyone to kill themselves even as a joke. It's sad just reading your post about "why" you don't do what others often do.
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:17 pm to JasonDBlaha
quote:So, you mean the...O-T?
This guy was treated like absolute shite after he died. School kids were making TikTok memes about him, because his suicide video went viral on TikTok and was inserted into algorithms which was seen by mostly kids.
I find this board absurdly callous with regard to many suffering people - particularly those that are mentally ill.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:20 pm to JasonDBlaha
Its hard to put young adrenaline junkies in war and expect them to return to normal society unchanged
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
We no longer send our best and brightest into war, but often our weakness and dullest. No surprises they can’t handle the aftermath.
Perhaps that’s the proper outcome.
Perhaps that’s the proper outcome.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:58 pm to pdubya76
Truly sorry for your loss. It’s all so tough on families…. Living with someone struggling greatly with PTSD sucks tremendously.
I have lost 4 vet buddies to suicide, it is brutal because you wish you could have done something but for so many there is nothing.
Life is void of experience and emotions for long periods of time
I have lost 4 vet buddies to suicide, it is brutal because you wish you could have done something but for so many there is nothing.
Life is void of experience and emotions for long periods of time
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:00 pm to JasonDBlaha
For me, it’s if I keep struggling to find a job. Sometimes it sounds easier to just hand my family half a mil and permanently check out.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:03 pm to slackster
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Probably has way more to do with the types of person that self selects for the military
What type of person is that exactly?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:04 pm to cubsfan5150
Been there and have had same feelings but as someone who got close and saw first hand the sadness it brought my family, it can’t be the option.
Are you receiving disability now?
Are you receiving disability now?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:09 pm to Impotent Waffle
I say it in jest… I’m hitting the button tomorrow, but have been job hunting for six months with absolutely no luck.
I have to keep in mind that I’ll be receiving retirement and disability and can at least keep my current living standard with a shitty job.
The job hunt has been MUCH harder than I ever anticipated and beyond discouraging.
I have to keep in mind that I’ll be receiving retirement and disability and can at least keep my current living standard with a shitty job.
The job hunt has been MUCH harder than I ever anticipated and beyond discouraging.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:15 pm to cubsfan5150
Yeah for sure, it’s totally different. Get your disability, get rated and look into unemployability
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:18 pm to cubsfan5150
A few years back we had a thread about this. I went and looked up the stats. The rate of increase of suicide among veterans is about the same as non veterans. IMO, it's not about military at all.
1. We've shutdown a ton of mental health facilities and now just hand out drugs to people who need real help, not just a pill.
2. We've told people since they were kids that they deserve happiness, money, and a bright future, as if it just happens to everyone by happenstance. That's not reality for a ton of people and when they realize it they fall apart.
1. We've shutdown a ton of mental health facilities and now just hand out drugs to people who need real help, not just a pill.
2. We've told people since they were kids that they deserve happiness, money, and a bright future, as if it just happens to everyone by happenstance. That's not reality for a ton of people and when they realize it they fall apart.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:28 pm to GeauxBall
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Can't convince me it's PTSD when WW2 generation came home and is known as our greatest generation. There's more to it than that.
Jesus dude it's better to just keep your mouth shut if you don't have a clue what you are talking about. PTSD has always been a thing veterans have dealt with.
They used to call it shell shock in WW1.
Hell some people just got called cowards back in the day and we executed them before we realized what ptsd was. I guess in your mind that was just better because it was the good old days.
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researchers at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge claimed that the earliest examples of PTSD can be found in ancient Mesopotamia (present-day Iraq) 3,000 years ago. The sources they looked at described how the King of Elam’s “mind changed” after years of fighting. Soldiers there had to go on campaign every three years after which they had flashbacks and dreams about their dead comrades, symptoms now commonly ascribed to PTSD.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:32 pm to GeauxBall
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Can't convince me it's PTSD when WW2 generation came home and is known as our greatest generation. There's more to it than that.
You think they didn’t deal with PTSD?
Where do you think the term “shell shock” came from?
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:50 pm to Corinthians420
He’s saying it’s not just the ptsd causing suicide.
I don’t know if he’s right or wrong. I’m not sure suicide rates were kept after WWII.
I don’t know if he’s right or wrong. I’m not sure suicide rates were kept after WWII.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:58 pm to Corinthians420
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The final years of WWII had the lowest rate of Army suicides, at 5 per 100,000 in 1944 and 1945. During the next few decades the rate was relatively stable, ranging from 10 to 15 per 100,000. I
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The unadjusted rate of suicide in 2020 among U.S. Veterans was 31.7 per 100,000. Over the period from 2001 through 2020, age- and sex-adjusted suicide rates for Veterans peaked in 2018 and then fell in 2019 and 2020. From 2018 to 2020, age- and sex-adjusted suicide rates for Veterans fell by 9.7%.
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A large study of nearly 4 million U.S. service members and veterans found that deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan is not associated with an increased risk of suicide.
Appearing in JAMA Psychiatry online on Wednesday, the study by researchers at the Defense Department's National Center for Telehealth and Technology, or T2, indicates that although the suicide rate among active-duty personnel has increased since 2001, the rate for those who deployed to a combat zone was roughly the same as for those who did not.
something is going on and it isn't ptsd
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:12 pm to JasonDBlaha
Yeah I know why. Because we are the shite eaters of the country and the VA system is fricked beyond repair. Add to that, we are trained to believe asking for any kind of help is simply a sign of weakness and when we do ask for help we are shot on.
So yeah, I know why.
So yeah, I know why.
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:23 pm to GeauxBall
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Can't convince me it's PTSD when WW2 generation came home and is known as our greatest generation.
I had a great uncle on my mom's side who was a D-Day vet. He was a severe alcoholic who drank himself to death when my mother was a kid. She told me he'd get so drunk he'd have flashbacks of the landing and would low crawl on the floor thinking he's still being shot at by an MG42.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 1:30 am to JasonDBlaha
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Because they get absolutely no respect from mainstream media networks or society.
El oh fricking el. Our military members are worshipped in this country. This hot take of yours is taking away from the tragic story that needs to be told - as it relates to a severe mental health crisis.
Figure it out.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:30 am to JasonDBlaha
I think its because the government uses them as chess pieces and then disregards them once they have been used. They don't get the correct care after their tours. And I can't imagine the terrible things they see and have to do to survive and be successful.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 6:56 am to GeauxBall
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Can't convince me it's PTSD when WW2 generation came home and is known as our greatest generation.
After WW2 my grandfather would terrorize my grandmother. He would have nightmares where he would scream 'gut him like a pig'. My dad would wake up in the middle of the night to find that he had moved furniture around and my grandfather would be behind a couch or chair looking to kill Germans.
He drank so much that it rotted out his stomach. He would go to 'support meetings' and it usually led him to drinking more.
My uncle started tape recording him during his episodes cause he didn't believe anyone.
Right before his death he almost had a nervous breakdown because he thought that he wouldn't get into heaven because of what he did during the war.
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