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Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
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Entergy: Yesterday, record demand for power resulted in a call from our grid coordinator for periodic power outages to maintain the safety and stability of the regional electric grid. Please limit electricity usage, including turning off electric water heaters and lowering heating thermostat settings. Insufficient reductions may require additional temporary interruptions of electric service. Thank you.
This is word for word from the Enron "California Energy Crisis" playbook.. Next we'll find out Entergy has commodities traders speculating on prices of natural gas
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:44 pm to Hangover Haven
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Even if it's a gas water heater
Yes. It's science.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:02 pm to jlovel7
Mine went off Monday morning and just came back on this morning. I've conserved enough.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:28 pm to jlovel7
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I don't think I will.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:37 pm to Dragula
Friend,
While I know it is the vocal minority, there is an increasing anti-social segment of our society that never learned what being a good citizen means. When someone politely asks you conserve a resource or help protect another who is vulnerable, the obvious response for a good citizen, is “Why of course!” These new self centered people have a demented form of libertarianism running in their minds. Most peculiar to watch this unfold on the OT the last year. Very disheartening as well.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
While I know it is the vocal minority, there is an increasing anti-social segment of our society that never learned what being a good citizen means. When someone politely asks you conserve a resource or help protect another who is vulnerable, the obvious response for a good citizen, is “Why of course!” These new self centered people have a demented form of libertarianism running in their minds. Most peculiar to watch this unfold on the OT the last year. Very disheartening as well.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:39 pm to jlovel7
Jesus. You people.
Entergy belongs to the Midcontinent Independent System Operator group, or MISO. In layman’s terms, it’s a regional coordination group that manages generation and transmission of available power. Power is bought and sold like any other commodity, and the miso marketplace helps ensure grid stability so we avoid something like the northeast blackout where one plant went offline causing a chain reaction that sent the entire northeast into a blackout. They coordinate outages at plants to ensure base demand is met at all times.
MISOs service area essentially is Minnesota directly south, most of Missouri, Arky, Mississippi, LA, and Entergy Texas. Conveniently, also the section of the country experiencing record cold and winter weather. Demand is at an all time high, and you’ve had some plants go offline due to winter issues, which only makes the situation more precarious. These messages are going out to everyone in MISO, not just Louisiana and Mississippi.
Texas outside of Entergy has its own isolated grid. Great for cost, not so great for something like this. Texas gets 25% of its power from renewables like solar and wind, of which right now ain’t producing Dick. So they lost 25% generation, then lost a few other base load plants due to winter weather issues, and it caused the grid to collapse.
If you want to actually talk about how power works, I’m all ears. Please don’t let this interrupt your bitching about Entergy, though.
Edit: Also one more thing I will give you. Entergy has done a shite job at explaining this to their customers, and posting “Please turn off your water heater” on social media is beyond stupid and just invites people to claim all manner of incorrect info.
Entergy belongs to the Midcontinent Independent System Operator group, or MISO. In layman’s terms, it’s a regional coordination group that manages generation and transmission of available power. Power is bought and sold like any other commodity, and the miso marketplace helps ensure grid stability so we avoid something like the northeast blackout where one plant went offline causing a chain reaction that sent the entire northeast into a blackout. They coordinate outages at plants to ensure base demand is met at all times.
MISOs service area essentially is Minnesota directly south, most of Missouri, Arky, Mississippi, LA, and Entergy Texas. Conveniently, also the section of the country experiencing record cold and winter weather. Demand is at an all time high, and you’ve had some plants go offline due to winter issues, which only makes the situation more precarious. These messages are going out to everyone in MISO, not just Louisiana and Mississippi.
Texas outside of Entergy has its own isolated grid. Great for cost, not so great for something like this. Texas gets 25% of its power from renewables like solar and wind, of which right now ain’t producing Dick. So they lost 25% generation, then lost a few other base load plants due to winter weather issues, and it caused the grid to collapse.
If you want to actually talk about how power works, I’m all ears. Please don’t let this interrupt your bitching about Entergy, though.
Edit: Also one more thing I will give you. Entergy has done a shite job at explaining this to their customers, and posting “Please turn off your water heater” on social media is beyond stupid and just invites people to claim all manner of incorrect info.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:46 pm to elprez00
Go look at the outage map for Baton Rouge, enough people involuntarily conserving for the rest of us. How much more they need?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:47 pm to jmcwhrter
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This is word for word from the Enron "California Energy Crisis" playbook.. Next we'll find out Entergy has commodities traders speculating on prices of natural gas
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:52 pm to jlovel7
Entergy customer here. I just got done washing two loads of clothes and took a nice hot warm shower as well.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:54 pm to BROpaneTANK
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Go look at the outage map for Baton Rouge, enough people involuntarily conserving for the rest of us. How much more they need?
The map doesn't seem to be getting updated. Some folks I know with power are showing as out on it.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:55 pm to BROpaneTANK
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Go look at the outage map for Baton Rouge, enough people involuntarily conserving for the rest of us. How much more they need?
That’s not exactly how demand works. It’s not just you running your heater. They’re trying to maintain margin and stability. Grid disturbances will cause catastrophic damage to a power generator if the grid does something wonky and goes out of phase. Imagine a boat cresting waves and then one comes out of sequence and slams into the side. So if some crazy load causes a unit to trip, and the grid reacts and causes some spike, then other units trip, etc, etc. Then you’ve got to stabilize the grid, then bring back the units online. And that’s difficult when you’ve got the entire grid peaking out. Essentially if an area of the grid goes funky, they’ll roll blackouts to stabilize and then bring them back on.
I’m being very basic and general here. There’s a ton of engineering-eze that makes this work that really is beyond what I can explain.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:56 pm to elprez00
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That’s not exactly how demand works. It’s not just you running your heater. They’re trying to maintain margin and stability. Grid disturbances will cause catastrophic damage to a power generator if the grid does something wonky and goes out of phase. Imagine a boat cresting waves and then one comes out of sequence and slams into the side. So if some crazy load causes a unit to trip, and the grid reacts and causes some spike, then other units trip, etc, etc. Then you’ve got to stabilize the grid, then bring back the units online. And that’s difficult when you’ve got the entire grid peaking out. Essentially if an area of the grid goes funky, they’ll roll blackouts to stabilize and then bring them back on.
I’m being very basic and general here. There’s a ton of engineering-eze that makes this work that really is beyond what I can explain.
Since you work for Entergy (or one of the electric co-ops...I can't tell): Do you know of any plans on bringing new powerplants online in SoLa over the next decade?
Riverbend will probably be shut down within 20 years.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:10 pm to goofball
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Do you know of any plans on bringing new powerplants online in SoLa over the next decade?
They have been. They’ve opened at least three in the last 18 months. The big combined cycle in St Charles on the east bank was the latest.
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Riverbend will probably be shut down within 20 years.
And? IIRC, the initial licenses for those plants were 25 years. Riverbend will be about 50-60 years old when it’s decommissioned as it currently stands. Nuclear is a clean, reliable way to make power. It’s a shame we’ve (USA) made it cost prohibitive and politically unpopular to continue to do so.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:02 pm to elprez00
Hello fellow utility employee. Good luck to you. I havent left my office since noon sunday. MISO issue was intense and thanks for attempting to explain it to the folks here.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:11 pm to jlovel7
Nah
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:04 pm to turnpiketiger
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These motherfrickers preach “public health” like crazy yet where are they now?? People are dropping like flies from carbon monoxide poisoning and are getting sick from having no heat for over 48 hours. All for what? Another political cat and mouse. frick these assholes.
Do you think they can just pull capacity out of their arse?
It's not the energy companies fault
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:05 pm to jmcwhrter
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This is word for word from the Enron "California Energy Crisis" playbook.. Next we'll find out Entergy has commodities traders speculating on prices of natural gas
The 2 situations are nothing alike.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:06 pm to jlovel7
Figures. People complain about shite but don't want to do their part to help things get back on track. And then complain when asked to do something to help out.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:13 pm to elprez00
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Edit: Also one more thing I will give you. Entergy has done a shite job at explaining this to their customers, and posting “Please turn off your water heater” on social media is beyond stupid and just invites people to claim all manner of incorrect info.
This is the whole problem in a nutshell. With pretty much everything.. The communication failure. But at the same time, if you try to explain it to people, if its more than 4 sentences they are not going to read it.. So instead of trying to understand something, they create conspiracies because its easier for them to understand.
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