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re: Does your church practice church discipline?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:46 pm to Rip Torner
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:46 pm to Rip Torner
quote:The point you are missing is that Jesus and Paul already "took this up." A knowingly unrepentant sinner is not welcome in the church. Period. End of story. As written in the scripture that you casually avoid. God is Holy. God is not to be mocked. Yet you would not allow for God to keep His family Holy because "love everyone" and "accept them no matter what they do". Love them all, of course, but do not accept them into the church family.
Take it up with Jesus and Paul.
Do I think Jesus wouldn't speak to these people outside of a church congregation? Sure he would. Would he love them? Yes, of course. Would he pray for them to accept Him as their Lord and Savior? Again, surely.
But He can't make them love Him. And He can't make them accept him as their Lord. He can't make them accept the Holy Spirit to fight their innate desire to sin. It's a gift, given by grace. None of us deserve it, but He gives it.
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Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:48 pm to BrodyDad
It is pride month so I would say it may be just a phase. It will pass. God bless you.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:50 pm to Rip Torner
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Unless he is having gay sex in the building or waving a pride flag then the only thing you are accomplishing is singling out someone else’s sin over your own.
Seeking God to correct a sinful behavior is different than knowingly continuing to sin with an unwillingness to change. If a man is having an affair, is it okay for him to bring his girlfriend to church as long as he sits on the other side from his wife and kids?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:30 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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So is it against your church or not to suck dick? Simple question
The Ladies' Sunday School class would like a word.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:13 pm to castorinho
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like spankings?
3rd offense adultery results in a caning in our church.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:27 pm to BrodyDad
How a church handles church discipline is clearly laid out in Matthew 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Now in the case that you have laid out, someone that suspected he was gay should've gone to him and talked to him one on one to figure out the validity of their suspicion, and if true, then try to show him the error of his ways and hopefully he repents. And if that didn't make a difference, then they should've gathered a couple more people (preferably elders or deacons in the church) to go talk to him all the while not letting the rest of the church know. And if that didn't work then it should've been brought to the church as a whole to try to get him to repent. And if he doesn't repent then you excommunicate him from the church so that he doesn't poison the rest of the church (a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump).
But even after that the church should still try its best to get him to see his sin, repent and return to the church. Paul condemns the church at Corinth for not excommunicating a member that was in a sexual relationship with his father's wife in 1st Cor 5:1-13, but then also gets onto them later in 2nd Cor 2:5-11 for not trying to get them back into the church.
Church discipline is not only to try to help the offending person, but to also guard the other members from being "contaminated" by that sin. But while making an offending member leave the church might be necessary, it is equally necessary to try everything you can to win that person back.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Now in the case that you have laid out, someone that suspected he was gay should've gone to him and talked to him one on one to figure out the validity of their suspicion, and if true, then try to show him the error of his ways and hopefully he repents. And if that didn't make a difference, then they should've gathered a couple more people (preferably elders or deacons in the church) to go talk to him all the while not letting the rest of the church know. And if that didn't work then it should've been brought to the church as a whole to try to get him to repent. And if he doesn't repent then you excommunicate him from the church so that he doesn't poison the rest of the church (a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump).
But even after that the church should still try its best to get him to see his sin, repent and return to the church. Paul condemns the church at Corinth for not excommunicating a member that was in a sexual relationship with his father's wife in 1st Cor 5:1-13, but then also gets onto them later in 2nd Cor 2:5-11 for not trying to get them back into the church.
Church discipline is not only to try to help the offending person, but to also guard the other members from being "contaminated" by that sin. But while making an offending member leave the church might be necessary, it is equally necessary to try everything you can to win that person back.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 3:11 pm to BrodyDad
I'm agnostic so feel free to ignore me or call me a fig but.....
What happens in his bedroom is between him, God, and whoever else is there with him but you should judge him. That's what God would want you to do.
What happens in his bedroom is between him, God, and whoever else is there with him but you should judge him. That's what God would want you to do.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 3:17 pm to junkfunky
You’re agnostic so you should have no position on this.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 3:20 pm to RoyalWe
We are also taught to not repeat the same mistakes over and over by Paul yet every person struggles with that therefore they are “knowingly” sinning unless you are trying to argue that an adult isn’t aware that lying, manipulation, greed, lust, pornography, drunkenness, gambling, etc. isn’t wrong according to the Word of God. Unless someone is actively trying to deceive and split a Church through division then you are walking a dangerous path by singling out individuals over “knowingly sinning”. Every Christian who has a basic understanding of the Bible knowingly sins everyday including you which is the entire point of God’s grace.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 3:41 pm to BrodyDad
I think the thing here that might cause the most controversy is that the gay man is already a church member and that membership status was attained before he came out as gay. He would basically have to be removed as a church member if the church is following sound doctrine. That’s assuming he wants to continue living in a sinful relationship, and it sounds like he does.
I go to a small, country church with a pastor who is not shy about calling out sin of all types. I frequently leave services feeling convicted of sin in my life, and moved to repent of that sin.
I feel like a gay person would be welcome to attend our church, but if they were honest about being gay, they absolutely wouldn’t be allowed to be an official church member or have any type of leadership role in the church. Now, I doubt that person would want to attend very long, because that particular sin gets called out often, and very bluntly from the pulpit. Many other sins do too.
We recently had a young man and woman ask to be church members. They lived together and were not married. The pastor told them that they were certainly wanted and welcome to attend every Sunday, but could not be members until they were married. I feel like he would say the same to a gay person, or even a gay couple that wanted to attend. That’s how I personally feel about it anyway.
I go to a small, country church with a pastor who is not shy about calling out sin of all types. I frequently leave services feeling convicted of sin in my life, and moved to repent of that sin.
I feel like a gay person would be welcome to attend our church, but if they were honest about being gay, they absolutely wouldn’t be allowed to be an official church member or have any type of leadership role in the church. Now, I doubt that person would want to attend very long, because that particular sin gets called out often, and very bluntly from the pulpit. Many other sins do too.
We recently had a young man and woman ask to be church members. They lived together and were not married. The pastor told them that they were certainly wanted and welcome to attend every Sunday, but could not be members until they were married. I feel like he would say the same to a gay person, or even a gay couple that wanted to attend. That’s how I personally feel about it anyway.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 3:48 pm to Rip Torner
You’re conflating two different things.
Yes, every Christian knowingly sins. Every Christian falls short. That’s exactly why we need grace. But Paul isn’t talking about ordinary struggles with sin. He’s talking about unrepentant sin.
The Christian who falls into lust, greed, anger, drunkenness, or lying and then confesses, repents, and continues fighting is not the person Paul is addressing. Paul’s concern is the person who persists in serious sin, refuses correction, refuses repentance, and expects the church to affirm them anyway.
If “everyone sins” means church discipline can never be exercised, then Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians 5 become meaningless because the church could never remove anyone for anything. The distinction isn’t between sinners and non-sinners. The distinction is between repentant sinners and unrepentant sinners.
Every Christian belongs in the first category. Paul tells the church how to deal with the second.
Yes, every Christian knowingly sins. Every Christian falls short. That’s exactly why we need grace. But Paul isn’t talking about ordinary struggles with sin. He’s talking about unrepentant sin.
The Christian who falls into lust, greed, anger, drunkenness, or lying and then confesses, repents, and continues fighting is not the person Paul is addressing. Paul’s concern is the person who persists in serious sin, refuses correction, refuses repentance, and expects the church to affirm them anyway.
If “everyone sins” means church discipline can never be exercised, then Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians 5 become meaningless because the church could never remove anyone for anything. The distinction isn’t between sinners and non-sinners. The distinction is between repentant sinners and unrepentant sinners.
Every Christian belongs in the first category. Paul tells the church how to deal with the second.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 9:43 pm to jizzle6609
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Drunkenness You can have a beer or even a couple beers. Getting white boy wasted is not good for anyone. It’s like anything else, in excess. Anything in excess is typically bad. Balance is the key in how I read the Bible.
What is the maximum BAC to get into heaven ?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:04 pm to BrodyDad
quote:gross
Deacon at a non-denominational
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:18 pm to BrodyDad
God hates people who hate people.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:15 pm to BrodyDad
If our church didn't allow sinners to attend, they would not let me or you in the front door. I believe homosexuality is not only a sin, it is an abomination to God. Bible says so. But where is a sinner going to hear the gospel if not in church? Now, if our pastor taught and preached that homosexuality was ok and there is nothing wrong with it, I would be leaving that church immediately. Our church does not discipline sinners or we'd all be disciplined. Death is the discipline for our sin in this life. God will dispense his discipline for unforgiven sin on His judgement day.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 2:45 am to hubertcumberdale
And is there a BMI max as well?
What about guys that are unrepentant BJ lovers or guys that love to put it in their wife’s azz? He and his wife are unrepentant sodomites, no?
What about guys that are unrepentant BJ lovers or guys that love to put it in their wife’s azz? He and his wife are unrepentant sodomites, no?
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