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re: Does your church practice church discipline?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:45 am to Old Money
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:45 am to Old Money
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Do you think Jesus would turn away someome for being gay?
If he had no intention of repentance then yes, he would.
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Sounds like a shite church if so.
For following Biblical instruction?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:46 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Does the word homosexual appear in the Bible at least?
No, a word invented in teh 1800s did not appear in the Bible. Crazy, I know.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:47 am to RIPMachoMan
There is a lot of guidance in your Bible.
Search for parts which give guidance in dealing with unrepentant sin and offenses committed against a person and/or the church.
Matthew gives us a process for dealing with approaching someone over a wrong. - In person. With witnesses. Present before the church. Disfellowship...
1 Corinthians has a good discussion of the concept of the process of prodding an openly sinful person into a correct relationship with God and the community.
Galatians describes the attitude to be cultivated in this process. Gentleness with a hope of compliance and healing.
2 Corinthians mentions bringing someone who has repented back into fellowship. Sort of like the prodigal son returning home.
The goal is repentance of sinfulness and renewal of fellowship.
But we are also told that having open sin pollutes the congregation. An openly gay relationship is an obvious example. Romans, Galatians, Jude and other areas plainly describe this behavior and relationship status as sinful.
A little bit of leavening spoils the whole lump of dough...
It must be confronted rather than ignored or embraced.
Hopefully, the non-denominational group can find what they need in the ultimate users' manual for Christians.
Church discipline is not optional. It is required.
Search for parts which give guidance in dealing with unrepentant sin and offenses committed against a person and/or the church.
Matthew gives us a process for dealing with approaching someone over a wrong. - In person. With witnesses. Present before the church. Disfellowship...
1 Corinthians has a good discussion of the concept of the process of prodding an openly sinful person into a correct relationship with God and the community.
Galatians describes the attitude to be cultivated in this process. Gentleness with a hope of compliance and healing.
2 Corinthians mentions bringing someone who has repented back into fellowship. Sort of like the prodigal son returning home.
The goal is repentance of sinfulness and renewal of fellowship.
But we are also told that having open sin pollutes the congregation. An openly gay relationship is an obvious example. Romans, Galatians, Jude and other areas plainly describe this behavior and relationship status as sinful.
A little bit of leavening spoils the whole lump of dough...
It must be confronted rather than ignored or embraced.
Hopefully, the non-denominational group can find what they need in the ultimate users' manual for Christians.
Church discipline is not optional. It is required.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:50 am to BrodyDad
My church is the great wide open, whether it be in my kayak on a river or lake, or on my motorcycle running some country asphalt, gravel, or dirt. And all I ever get from that church is peace and a closeness to God. It's never caused drama, never felt fake or corrupted, and the other parishioners, the wildlife of this great planet, have never once judged me for my beliefs.
I see zero reason to sit in a building with a bunch of strangers and listen to someone give me their biased interpretation of the Word while asking for money and giving some guy shite for who he is sexually attracted to.
I see zero reason to sit in a building with a bunch of strangers and listen to someone give me their biased interpretation of the Word while asking for money and giving some guy shite for who he is sexually attracted to.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:50 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Interesting
it's not. You think it's a win for you, which is actually interesting. Or funny. Let's go with funny.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:51 am to Snipe
quote:Paul absolutely told one of the churches (I can search for which group) to kick out unrepentant members. Someone can have whatever proclivities and inclinations they have, but if they are sins then they have to turn away from it. We have the Holy Spirit to enable us to overcome our sin. We should absolutely keep struggling sinners (all of us) together in the family, but we should never condone the sin or an unrepentant sinner.
I'm pretty sure that's the message, but I'll look through the bible to try to find the time Jesus told the sinner to go away from him until he was clean and then return to hear his message.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:52 am to NawlinsTiger9
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What verse says this?
Portions of 1st Corinthians chapter five have already been posted several times.
Unrepentant sin does not belong in the church body. It really is that simple.
It isn't just about homosexuality- it is concerning all kinds of sin.
I just don't understand why this is hard for people to grasp. The New Testament lays out all of this very neatly and without ambiguity or compromise.
If that's not up your alley- find a religion that is better suited to you... Us Christians are trying to better suit ourselves to God.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:52 am to NawlinsTiger9
quote:It was written in Greek. The term used is arsenokoitai, the context for this word was not debated until recently as those who read and understood it to mean sex between men. The debate recently is by those trying to dismiss it, not by saying it has a different meaning but just that we can't know what it really means. It's a disingenuous argument of those trying to adopt the world by claiming a grey area in the scriptures.
Does the word homosexual appear in the Bible at least?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:53 am to SallysHuman
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Being same sex attracted is one thing. Acting on it permanently in the form of marriage is a different thing. We all have issues to struggle with. Being unrepentant is the line. No matter the sin at hand.
I had a pastor that referred to this as a “propensity towards certain sinful behavior”. Everyone has certain temptations that they struggle with while others do not struggle with the same temptation. It is not an excuse to give into them. Some people struggle with addiction (alcohol, gambling, food, etc.) while others don’t. Some struggle with same sex attraction. He stated his propensity was to drink a lot and fist fight. For this reason, he abstained from alcohol. You have to look to Christ to overcome your weaknesses and short comings. Sometimes God allows us to have weaknesses to draw us closer to him.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:53 am to RandySavage
If people would read the Bible, it’s very clear. Some of these questions and thoughts definitely reflect how many people do not or have not read the Bible recently.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:55 am to Ramblin Wreck
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Ramblin Wreck
Everything you said, exactly!
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:56 am to Salmon
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if you believe a person is living in sin, and your goal is to save that person from that sin (I assume), shunning them seems like the worst way to accomplish that goal
Sounds like you support the gays and want gays to be in every government position and probably hope your kids are gay too so you can parade them around as being special gay people. You probably want to suck wiener yourself !
eta, sorry, I just spent the last hour reading the PT and I"m a little wound up
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:56 am to Rabby
quote:And this is why the definition of “love” is so misunderstood by non-Christians.
Church discipline is not optional. It is required.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:57 am to AwesomeSauce
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The debate recently is by those trying to dismiss it, not by saying it has a different meaning but just that we can't know what it really means.
That is a wild oversimplification of the scholarly debate about this term and its context in this passage.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:57 am to TygerTyger
quote:You would do well to read the Bible and seek understanding. This is answered directly — no reading between the lines.
I see zero reason to sit in a building with a bunch of strangers
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:58 am to RoyalWe
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And this is why the definition of “love” is so misunderstood by non-Christians.
Which is crazy because this love is no different than a parent's love for their children. Just because you love them unconditionally doesn't mean you let them do whatever they want with zero consequences. (in theory anyway, plenty of not so great parents do just that)
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:59 am to NawlinsTiger9
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That is a wild oversimplification
This from the guy trying a semantics gotcha on the Bible
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:59 am to Ramblin Wreck
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Read down a few posts after yours and you will see the answer in 1 Corinthians 5.
So don’t eat with anyone haha.
Have to teach the sinner. You don’t have to baptize these people into the faith or marry them.
Still should try to lead them correctly.
I guess Jesus never ate with any of these folks.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/16/26 at 10:59 am to BrodyDad
Many non denominational churches are still heavily influenced by the Baptist church.
It’s like ND being a partial ACC member and pretending they’re not.
It’s like ND being a partial ACC member and pretending they’re not.
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