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re: Does your church practice church discipline?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:39 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:39 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:I thought maybe they were saying that it’s difficult to *know* (I mean, absolutely *know*) when someone is an unrepentant sinner. When someone says “I’m gay and am marrying my gay partner” then you *know*. The other issues might get ferreted out over time — or might not. Let me solve the mystery for you, though. Everyone in church is a sinner. If they are there for the right reason it’s because they acknowledge that fact and know they need the Holy Spirit to not sin and need Jesus Christ to forgive their sins.
Pretty sure the Bible outlines what constitutes these sins in black and white terms.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:43 am to TygerTyger
Sounds like I hit a nerve. Sorry about that.
I didn’t say anything about you doing any of that. However, your words tell me that you are very misaligned with the Word so I was trying to be helpful.
For the record, I don’t belong to a Church right now and haven’t for decades. I couldn’t tell you the name of any pastors, preachers, or priests within 50 miles of me (except for a retired neighbor).
We don’t get a heaven through works and I don’t care about any man’s resume in this regard. However your attitudes are very self-centered and very assured. That’s a dangerous combination.
Peace to you.
I didn’t say anything about you doing any of that. However, your words tell me that you are very misaligned with the Word so I was trying to be helpful.
For the record, I don’t belong to a Church right now and haven’t for decades. I couldn’t tell you the name of any pastors, preachers, or priests within 50 miles of me (except for a retired neighbor).
We don’t get a heaven through works and I don’t care about any man’s resume in this regard. However your attitudes are very self-centered and very assured. That’s a dangerous combination.
Peace to you.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:46 am to BrodyDad
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my brother feels like they have no choice but to tell him to leave.
Doesn't seem very Christian of your brother. Is he hitting on other men there? He's not trying to get married there, as you said.
I'm all for the rights of your brother to kick him out, but seems like something that goes against teachings. Churches should welcome sinners, that isn't an endorsement of their sins.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:51 am to BrodyDad
Non-denominational so it doesn't really matter because it's not church anyways. Gay is morally wrong, so show him the door.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:52 am to RoyalWe
Nope, no nerve hit at all.
I'm fine with your diagnosis of my divine alignment, since you have zero clue.
You seem all over the map with this post.
Peace back.
I'm fine with your diagnosis of my divine alignment, since you have zero clue.
You seem all over the map with this post.
Peace back.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:54 am to TygerTyger
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I'm certain I've learned more about my connection to God through my church than listening to some dude tell me his version of the Word. And how even though Christianity has been modified and interpreted by millions of biased preachers since it's inception, HIS way is the RIGHT way.
So is the answer is to ignore all teaching? If you truly want to have a relationship with God and to seek his will for your life you would study his word. This is more difficult if you believe every single teacher is wrong. If you are not just being rebellious, make it a point to read and study. Though it is more difficult if you discount every single commentary or sermon, you can begin with buying a Strong’s Concordance and look up every single word in the Bible to see what the original Greek or Hebrew word was and an example of it’s use. It is difficult, but doable, or you can listen to some excellent teachers that have done the hard part for you. Read the Bible yourself to make sure they are accurate in their teaching. Will your reason for being ignorant of God’s instructions and individual purpose be acceptable to him when you are no longer on this earth? Is it acceptable to tell him you thought everyone was biased so you went fishing instead? “Coach I didn’t read or study the play book but you should let me on the team anyway” won’t be a good response. Be teachable and seek truth, put effort into it.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 11:57 am to CatfishJohn
The teachings have been pointed out several times in this thread, and yet this is still your opinion. Being Christian does NOT mean being accommodating or folding like a card table in every situation. There are actual standards, laws, and commandments.
It’s the same liberal argument when they try to tell us what Jesus would do while hyper-focusing on a single verse without understanding the context or failing to keep reading. Jesus actually has some pretty harsh words for those who are exposed to his teachings and yet choose not to believe.
It’s the same liberal argument when they try to tell us what Jesus would do while hyper-focusing on a single verse without understanding the context or failing to keep reading. Jesus actually has some pretty harsh words for those who are exposed to his teachings and yet choose not to believe.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:00 pm to BrodyDad
Church discipline is a tricky thing and can lead to a fracturing of the Church because the Church is made of imperfect people. The minute you hold someone else’s sin as worse than yours then you are going down a very slippery slope. The examples in the Bible were implemented by men who were far more pious than virtually every Christian on the planet today and even they were cautious about it why is why it is rarely mentioned. IF you disfellowship another person and cause them to fall away then you are just as guilty as they are. If his homosexuality doesn’t convict him to change his ways then shunning him is just going to solidify his positions
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:03 pm to Ramblin Wreck
I wonder how many of the church defenders in this thread go to Healing Place or Joel Olsteen's circus?
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:05 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:You're totally changing the argument to be a contrarian. You, or the Church, will have a much more difficult time proving greed or pridefulness than someone in a same-sex "marriage". Just because someone is rich doesn't mean they are greedy. Your interpretation of someone's actions doesn't mean you are correct (that is what I meant by subjective). In many ways you would have to be in someone's head to prove they're leading a life of, say, pridefulness.
They are subjective if you are cognitively dissonant. Pretty sure the Bible outlines what constitutes these sins in black and white terms.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:08 pm to TygerTyger
I’m sure they wouldn’t mind outing themselves, but you must have an opinion about those two Churchs. Please share so I can consider the information in my soon-to-be search for a Church family.
Live Oak Church and Pastor Mark Crosby (had to look that up) were recommended to me recently.
Live Oak Church and Pastor Mark Crosby (had to look that up) were recommended to me recently.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:10 pm to Rip Torner
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If his homosexuality doesn’t convict him to change his ways then shunning him is just going to solidify his positions
By this logic, a church could easily become a hedonistic free for all.
God's Word doesn't change.
Of course church discipline is delicate- and there are many steps that are taken in the process and with much conversation and prayer.
In the end, the church is never meant to reflect the world it is meant to be the Bride of Christ.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:10 pm to Rip Torner
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If his homosexuality doesn’t convict him to change his ways then shunning him is just going to solidify his positions
And that is exactly what scriptures tell us to do for those who are unrepentant and call themselves Christians.
No one is perfect. Everyone sometimes walks too close to the edge of the road next to the ditch and may occasionally slip into the mud. If you aren’t a pig, you will realize you shouldn’t be in the mud and will desire to get out and to be clean again. Stay away from the edge of the road and you won’t find yourself in the mud.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:13 pm to Rip Torner
Years ago WYNK, which at the time was the big country station in BR and I guess still is, used to livestream the Sunday night service of one of the Baptist churches. Apparently there was some division within the church and one night the preacher decided to settle all the family business, so to speak. Nobody thought to turn off the livestream and it was pretty wild.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:14 pm to BrodyDad
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My brother is a Deacon at a non-denominational
So is it against your church or not to suck dick? Simple question.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:16 pm to TygerTyger
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I wonder how many of the church defenders in this thread go to Healing Place or Joel Olsteen's circus?
Are there doctors that are incompetent or only in it for the money? Does that mean you avoid all doctors or do you seek out those that are looking out for your well being?
Edit - I am not speaking to any particular church in my analogy. I am not familiar with Healing Place. With any church I suggest you have a scriptural basis for condemning them, not just quoting opinion or verses out of context.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:17 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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Are there doctors that are incompetent or only in it for the money? Does that mean you avoid all doctors or do you seek out those that are looking out for your well being?
This guy is the epitome of hypocritically judging others.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:33 pm to SallysHuman
Take it up with Jesus and Paul. Sitting down and talking with him would be far more effective than shunning him and will you also be asking the members who lie repeatedly to leave or the members who play on their phones during service instead of studying and paying attention? What about the members who know more about Alabama, Georgia, LSU football etc. than they do the Bible? Ultimately, if someone refuses to change then that’s between them and God. Hedonistic? Unless he is having gay sex in the building or waving a pride flag then the only thing you are accomplishing is singling out someone else’s sin over your own.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:37 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:I wish that was archived somewhere.
Nobody thought to turn off the livestream and it was pretty wild.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:42 pm to BrodyDad
Sounds like your brother needs to become a member of a church denomination that aligns with biblical teaching so that these things aren’t an issue.
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