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re: Does anyone know what happens to St. George students who want to stay in EBRSS schools?
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:31 pm to armytiger96
Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:31 pm to armytiger96
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Maybe back in 1950s and 60s, but 1970 had 120,000 people living out of city of BR in the parish; 1980 had 140,000 living outside of BR; 1990 had 160,000; and 2000 had 182,000.
Still holds true today. According to census data 70817 only accounts for 7% of total parish population. See my other post for more details.
Do now you pivot to one zip code when earlier while responding to a comment about StG tax dollars going elsewhere you were giving BR credit for funding BFE in the 80s and then claimed one street was due to BR while ignoring the unincorporated area’s tax revenue?
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Its funny that the people living within the city limits of Baton Rouge didn't have this same shitty "us vs them" attitude in the late 80's when their tax dollars was getting pumped into what was known as BFE.
Maybe back in 1950s and 60s, but 1970 had 120,000 people living out of city of BR in the parish; 1980 had 140,000 living outside of BR; 1990 had 160,000; and 2000 had 182,000.
Even 1960 had 78,000 people outside of the city limits of BR, but that population doubled by 1990 and was more than paying their share of various parish taxes (and some of the BR sales tax as well) which is why in last half of the 90s malls opened up off bluebonnet and theaters opened up outside of the city limits at the time. The parish should have been rolling in tax revenue, but it wouldn’t surprise me if more of revenue from unincorporated parish was already being spent inside BR than out especially as BR’s population dropped a little in 1990. Its growth by the 2000 census (still less than parish growth) was probably helped by being close to these developing unincorporated areas.
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If it wasn't for the BR tax dollars Jones Creek would be a two lane hwy and your only way to get in and out would be Tiger Bend or Harrell's Ferry.
The growth of that area and connected areas using it funded that construction. It was long overdue with the growth there and in other unincorporated areas along with the increasing sales tax revenue, but it probably delayed due to parish sales tax revenue going to BR.
Maybe you can better explain your pivot to focusing one zip code when Jones Creek rd crosses thru 2 zip codes and St George has at least 4 different zip codes inside its boundaries (some zip codes are only partially in StG).
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 9:59 pm
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Posted on 5/8/26 at 9:52 pm to dallastigers
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Do now you pivot to one zip code when earlier while responding to a comment about StG tax dollars going elsewhere you were giving BR credit for funding BFE in the 80s and then claimed one street was due to BR while ignoring the unincorporated area’s tax revenue?
Yes I'm fully aware. I did this because in my opinion the heart of St George movement is centered around the residents of the 70817 zip code. Plus the infrastructure upgrades that I was referencing in my original post was the Oneal lane extension which was around 1989 and extending Coursey from Stumberg to George O'neal which occurred around 1987.
Without these two investments the only way to get into BR was Harrell's Ferry to Sherwood or Tiger Bend to Airline. In my OPINION these two investments were pivotal to initiating growth in that area. These investments occurred at a time when the Baton Rouge and LA economy were shite.
It is also my opinion that a disproportional amount of Green Light Program projects occurred in this zip code compared to the rest of the parish.
Personally, I'm tired of the "my tax dollar this and my tax dollar that" BS that is spewed on this board regularly, its like siamese twins arguing over blood flow. The entire Baton Rouge Metro area needs Baton Rouge to be successful or the entire area will die. Just look at the traffic going into and out of Baton Rouge every day. Like it or not BR proper is the heart of our economy.
Additionally Google would not pull up census data for 70810 from circa 1980 and 1990 and as you mentioned, I knew the other two zip codes were split.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:10 pm to dallastigers
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I disagree. It would be better if this happens gradually over several years
Logistically, I 100% agree with you; gradual is better. However, practically gradual growth will only result in a continuation of what you currently have. It is unrealistic to think a student body where the vast majority of the kids live below or close to poverty line will be a good school when compared to schools that have a true cross section of society.
It's a chicken or the egg scenario. If the private school parents take a wait and see approach then kids will stay in private schools. If the BRHMS group is forced to decide between woodlawn, private schools, or neighboring community they are likely moving.
Unfortunately, in my opinion the time to break away was when bussing started in 1981. At this point I think in reality the cancer has metastasized in that area and your not getting good schools regardless of what you do.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:12 pm to armytiger96
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your not getting good schools regardless of what you do.
I would rather make the attempt than keep throwing money down the known rathole that is EBRPSS.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:19 pm to teke184
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I would rather make the attempt than keep throwing money down the known rathole that is EBRPSS.
I understand and don't fault others for having an opinion different than mine. That's why we all get one vote and collectively get to decide as a state and a parish. I hope I'm wrong but I think this will just create another rat hole and we're throwing more money away.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:55 pm to armytiger96
quote:That’s not how it works.
Yes I'm fully aware. I did this because in my opinion the heart of St George movement is centered around the residents of the 70817 zip code.
quote:I only saw your Jones Creek Rd comment which actually goes thru 2 zip codes. Did you mean another road then? Those roads go thru and/or connect multiple zip codes as well. Focusing on one zip code for population is being completely dishonest.
Plus the infrastructure upgrades that I was referencing in my original post was the Oneal lane extension which was around 1989 and extending Coursey from Stumberg to George O'neal which occurred around 1987.
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Without these two investments the only way to get into BR was Harrell's Ferry to Sherwood or Tiger Bend to Airline. In my OPINION these two investments were pivotal to initiating growth in that area. These investments occurred at a time when the Baton Rouge and LA economy were shite.
The area was growing before making the roads a requirement for existing residents and businesses not an investment solely trying to grow the area. They were past due, and the area was neglected in favor of BR despite the growing tax base in the area. It wasn’t a gift from the city of BR. It was fighting against BR to get what the taxpayers in the unincorporated area were owed from all their paid tax dollars, but many BR residents still seem to think they gifted to the area. Also, the metro parish govt cannot even make loops around the area and relies on interstates for local travels. Don’t act like it was proactive with this and ahead of the game. It was reactive and reluctant as usual with any spending in the unincorporated non-BR areas in the parish.
The metro govt is supposed to be more than BR and about the entire parish which sometimes works but mostly doesn’t. Broome might have focused solely on BR, but the job is Mayor/President. The council has members who don’t represent BR. Just because the metro parish govt approved construction doesn’t mean that the city of BR funded it or that BR agreed with it.
As for the economy at the time the City of BR was shrinking a little during this while the rest of the parish was still growing. It didn’t cost any of BR’s specifically paid taxes for BR.
Your view is BR centric. I used to live in BR proper, still co-own a property in BR proper, and I am pro-StG and pro StG school district. I see both as what’s best for the entire community and my property in BR.
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Personally, I'm tired of the "my tax dollar this and my tax dollar that" BS that is spewed on this board regularly, its like siamese twins arguing over blood flow. The entire Baton Rouge Metro area needs Baton Rouge to be successful or the entire area will die. Just look at the traffic going into and out of Baton Rouge every day. Like it or not BR proper is the heart of our economy.
Where else would I10 and I12 traffic go since BR can’t figure out loops and bypasses. A lot of that traffic is going thru BR because it has to go thru to get to the other side. Surrounding areas are not as dependent on the city of BR as in the 20th century and have done ok when BR struggles. BR is broken. It isn’t getting fixed with its Demographics and a crappy school district like EBRSS, and thats want surrounding suburbs thrive on. They don’t require BR to be successful. They just need it to not completely implode and then export its problem residents and crime to others.
Also, being successful doesn’t require taking and being dependent on tax dollars raised in the unincorporated areas of the parish. BR should always be self sufficient. It’s just really not important enough for surrounding communities to subsidize it.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:41 am to dallastigers
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dallastigers
Are you from Baton Rouge? Did you live here in 80's or 90's? You obviously don't know the area well. I'm reciting infrastucture improvement projects from memory by date and you're trying to mansplain shite to people that have lived in this area for decades while you have to go find the road on a map! The two projects that I referenced was the Coursey extension from Stumberg to Jones Creek and the O'neal lane extension from S Harrell's Ferry to George O'neal. Portions of these roads may touch or go through 70816 but the primary benefit of those roads were to give residents in Shenandoah, White Oak Landing, Hickory Ridge, Woodlawn Estates, etc. other entry points to the heart of the city than Jones Creek Rd.
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That’s not how it works.
Yes it is. You are so caught up in minutia details and trying to find a "gotcha" about a very small fraction of a road going into another zip code that you completely missed the actual projects that I referenced and entire point of the reference.
I can use statistical data on the population of 70817 to point out the complete and utter hypocritical view on this board which is St George pays for everything because the population of 70817 is almost 50% of St George, and if you look at the location for the vast majority of the 17,000 votes that were in favor of forming St George they came from 70817. There is a high probability that most of the "I'm tired of paying for Baton Rouge" crowd on this board resides in 70817. They spew this perpetual lies to ad nauseam daily on this board without realizing that they are only 20% of the parish population and continue to have a disproportionate amount of infrastructure upgrades in their backyard without having the massive disproportionate amount of wealth that they think they have. In my opinion the only people in the parish that can say they aren't getting their fair share of project are those living in the rural areas north of Central and Zachary. You know the areas that currently look like 70817 did 40 years ago.
The true irony is that most of infrastructure projects today are paid via sales tax so every Tom, Dick, and Harry that spends money in EBR is paying for these projects regardless of where they live.
St George vote
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Your view is BR centric.
You're absolutely fricking right my view is Baton Rouge centric. Why? I grew up in 70817 and as far as I'm concerned I grew up in Baton Rouge! No one gave a shite about where the city limits were or weren't until 2013 when they tried to form the SE BATON ROUGE Independent School District. Notice it wasn't called St George district because unlike most incorporated cities in LA it skipped the whole community phase before becoming a city.
My views are very Baton Rouge Metro centric I only enter these conversations to refute the us vs them mentality that has taken a life of its own here.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 2:38 am
Posted on 5/9/26 at 2:32 am to dallastigers
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A lot of that traffic is going thru BR because it has to go thru to get to the other side.
A lot may be going through but the vast majority are going to BR because that's where their jobs, Drs, and schools are.
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BR is broken. It isn’t getting fixed with its Demographics and a crappy school district like EBRSS, and thats want surrounding suburbs thrive on.
No shite just like pretty much every other "large" city in America
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being dependent on tax dollars raised in the unincorporated areas of the parish.
Now wait a second you just mansplained to me that we have a city-parish form of government which means that we have a singular consolidated government with one operating budget that is responsible for providing services to all 450,000 residents of EBR. Now you're asking why this city/parish government that is responsible for everyone in the parish can't operate solely on the contributions of 48% of the residents that live in the parish?
Do I really need to mansplain this to you?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 7:09 am to armytiger96
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They need the smart kids more than they need the money. Without them the new school district will be nothing more than lipstick on a pig. These kids testing well is the only way they will draw kids from private schools who are sitting on the sidelines waiting to see.
St. George will trend just like every other school district created to try to give EBR students a better public school option. It will start strong and slowly decline and regress to the mean.
Not sure why anyone thinks this will be any different.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 8:12 am
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:00 am to LSURussian
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LSURussian
This is a passive aggressive attempt to get people to vote against the St. George school district.
It's pathetic.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:13 am to Tiger Ugly
You realize Zachary and Central are both miles better than the EBR School system?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:15 am to Tiger Ugly
Actually, Zachary is still rated #1 in Louisiana
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:43 am to armytiger96
quote:We are already just throwing money away.
I think this will just create another rat hole and we're throwing more money away.
If you live in St. George and you vote against this, it’s because you’re scared to take a risk on something bigger than yourself and family.
If you live in BR and vote against this, I understand. You know you can’t survive without money from a different city. Just be man enough to admit it.
If you live in a different part of the state, please vote yes and give the people of St. George a chance to do better for their kids.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:50 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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We are already just throwing money away.
You missed the MORE part as in increased taxes for the same result. Oh thats right mayor said no new taxes; where have a I heard that before?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:52 am to armytiger96
quote:I’m not an expert on all things St. George, but if you want to discuss the ins and outs of our consolidated city parish government financial structure, GASB Principles, and how our government accounting system has actually been operating ….
Now wait a second you just mansplained to me that we have a city-parish form of government which means that we have a singular consolidated government with one operating budget that is responsible for providing services to all 450,000 residents of EBR. Now you're asking why this city/parish government that is responsible for everyone in the parish can't operate solely on the contributions of 48% of the residents that live in the parish? Do I really need to mansplain this to you?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:13 am to armytiger96
quote:You say things with such certainty.
You missed the MORE part as in increased taxes for the same result.
How do you know the results will be the same? You don’t. How do you know taxes will increase? You don’t.
And it’s fair to say that I don’t know either. But I’m not the one saying statements as facts when it come to what a St. George School district would be.
What I’ve maintained from the beginning is that St. George would have a ton of financial capital to work with, and with even semi-competent leadership it would be pretty easy to make improvements over the current situation.
There are 18 high schools in the EBRSS. We’ve already established that Woodlawn is the only one in St. George. That’s 5.5%.
Took me a second to find the info but here it’s is. EBRSS is estimating they would lose 25% of their funding. invest Louisiana.
Imagine what you could do with Woodlawn if you gave it 4x the funding.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:44 am to GEAUX4
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Actually, Zachary is still rated #1 in Louisiana
Not #1, but something like #4 with West Feliciana and Central above it IIRC.
While EBRPSS is somewhere near the bottom of the barrel.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 11:27 am to armytiger96
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And 70817 accounted for less than 10% of that population. After seeing over 50% growth from 1990 to today its only 7% of the total parish population with a median income of $55,000
We are discussing Baton Rouge and the rest of the parish not 70817. Besides 70817 isn’t the only zip code in SG.
Some factoids:
There are 19 zip codes in EBR 70817 is the fourth most populated. The top 5.
70816 45,718 some of SG
70810 42,659 largely SG
70808 35,843 BR south side
70817 33,482 mostly if not all SG
70715 31,024 mostly if not all BR
70817 is approximately 38% of the SG population. SG in 2019 was at 86,316 per Wikipedia.
Improvements to Jones Creek and Coursey were major needs as were projects to build Burbank, widen Perkins, Old Hammond, build Corporate Blvd., widen Greeneell Springs, part of Siegen, Bluebonnet, and others were all important too.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/9/26 at 11:52 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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How do you know the results will be the same? You don’t. How do you know taxes will increase? You don’t.
Those that fail to study history are doomed to repeat. St Georgians keep pointing to Central as the model to follow plus they keep bitching about not having enough schools to serve their population. Go look at Central Tax rate and compare it to the EBR tax rate. The model you plan to follow has a higher property tax rate plus you want to add new schools. Higher taxes are coming.
You can spend 1000x more money and it wont make a difference:
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East Baton Rouge Parish (EBR) generally has a higher per-pupil expenditure compared to Ascension Parish. Based on recent data, EBR spends approximately $16,539 per student, while Ascension Parish spends approximately $14,506 per student. Despite higher spending, EBR has lower proficiency rates (31% Mastery & Above) compared to Ascension (57% Mastery & Above).
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Based on FY26 budget projections, East Baton Rouge (EBR) Parish schools spend significantly more per student compared to Livingston Parish. EBR's proposed budget reflects approximately \(\$20,500\) in total per-student spending, while Livingston Parish Public Schools reports a lower rate of \(\$12,830\) per pupil.
The EBR spend is also higher than tuition for most private high schools in the parish.
Yeah, let's imagine what we could do if we spent more money. It's not the money that is the problem it's who you are teaching! Why do you think throwing more money will change the results if the student body doesn't change?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 11:54 am to armytiger96
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Do I really need to mansplain this to you?
When you figure out how the EBR Metro parish consolidated govt for the city of BR and it’s services and also the entire parish and parish services please come back and explain it. If you choose to mansplain that would be kind of weird but go ahead.
quote:please show me where I said the above in exact words. I will include the section I think you labeled mainsplaining…quote:Now wait a second you just mansplained to me that we have a city-parish form of government which means that we have a singular consolidated government with one operating budget that is responsible for providing services to all 450,000 residents of EBR. Now you're asking why this city/parish government that is responsible for everyone in the parish can't operate solely on the contributions of 48% of the residents that live in the parish?
being dependent on tax dollars raised in the unincorporated areas of the parish.
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The area was growing before making the roads a requirement for existing residents and businesses not an investment solely trying to grow the area. They were past due, and the area was neglected in favor of BR despite the growing tax base in the area. It wasn’t a gift from the city of BR. It was fighting against BR to get what the taxpayers in the unincorporated area were owed from all their paid tax dollars, but many BR residents still seem to think they gifted to the area. Also, the metro parish govt cannot even make loops around the area and relies on interstates for local travels. Don’t act like it was proactive with this and ahead of the game. It was reactive and reluctant as usual with any spending in the unincorporated non-BR areas in the parish.
The metro govt is supposed to be more than BR and about the entire parish which sometimes works but mostly doesn’t. Broome might have focused solely on BR, but the job is Mayor/President. The council has members who don’t represent BR. Just because the metro parish govt approved construction doesn’t mean that the city of BR funded it or that BR agreed with it.
What you partially quoted from while replying is below. If any of that has “mansplaining”…
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Where else would I10 and I12 traffic go since BR can’t figure out loops and bypasses. A lot of that traffic is going thru BR because it has to go thru to get to the other side. Surrounding areas are not as dependent on the city of BR as in the 20th century and have done ok when BR struggles. BR is broken. It isn’t getting fixed with its Demographics and a crappy school district like EBRSS, and thats want surrounding suburbs thrive on. They don’t require BR to be successful. They just need it to not completely implode and then export its problem residents and crime to others.
Also, being successful doesn’t require taking and being dependent on tax dollars raised in the unincorporated areas of the parish. BR should always be self sufficient. It’s just really not important enough for surrounding communities to subsidize it.
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