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Does altitude somehow prevent obesity? The correlation with altitude is interesting.

Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:29 pm
Does altitude somehow prevent obesity?

The correlation is remarkable, because you can see it not just in the Mountain West but along the Appalachians in the East as well.



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Mystery 1: The Obesity Epidemic

The first mystery is the obesity epidemic itself. It’s hard for a modern person to appreciate just how thin we all were for most of human history. A century ago, the average man in the US weighed around 155 lbs. Today, he weighs about 195 lbs. About 1% of the population was obese back then. Now it’s about 36%.

People in the 1800s did have diets that were very different from ours. But by conventional wisdom, their diets were worse, not better. They ate more bread and almost four times more butter than we do today. They also consumed more cream, milk, and lard. This seems closely related to observations like the French Paradox — the French eat a lot of fatty cheese and butter, so why aren’t they fatter and sicker?

Mystery 2: An Abrupt Shift

Another thing that many people are not aware of is just how abrupt this change was. Between 1890 and 1976, people got a little heavier. The average BMI went from about 23 to about 26. This corresponds with rates of obesity going from about 3% to about 10%. The rate of obesity in most developed countries was steady at around 10% until 1980, when it suddenly began to rise.

Mystery 3: The Ongoing Crisis

Things don’t seem to be getting any better. A couple decades ago, rising obesity rates were a frequent topic of discussion, debate, and concern. But recently it has received much less attention; from the lack of press and popular coverage, you might reasonably assume that if we aren’t winning the fight against obesity, we’ve gotten at least to a stalemate.

But this simply isn’t the case. Americans have actually gotten more obese over the last decade. In fact, obesity increased more than twice as much between 2010 and 2018 than it did between 2000 and 2008.

Mystery 4: Hunter-Gatherers

A common assumption is that humans evolved eating a highly varied diet of wild plants and animals, that our bodies still crave variety, and that we would be better off with a more varied diet. But when we look at modern hunter-gatherers, we see this isn’t true. The !Kung San of Tanzania get about 40% of their calories from a single food source, the mongongo nut, with another 40% coming from meat. But the !Kung are extremely lean (about 110lbs on average) and have excellent cardiovascular health.

Of course, variety isn’t everything. You would also expect that people need to eat the right diet. A balanced diet, with the right mix of macronutrients. But again, this doesn’t seem to be the case. Hunter-gatherer societies around the world have incredibly different diets, some of them very extreme, and almost never suffer from obesity.


This whole article is fascinating.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5110 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:31 pm to
Fatties won't walk uphill to McDonald's. Investigation complete.
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
1977 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:32 pm to
Altitude doesn't prevent obesity. A lot of fit people choose to live in altitude conditions because, in general, there's more outdoor activities to do there. And, if there are more outdoor activities to do, then even the less fit people would be more likely to be active.

As opposed to living in south Louisiana, where it's very easy for anyone, fit or not, to stay indoors nine months a year because of the horrible heat/humidity.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 8:05 pm
Posted by LazloHollyfeld
Steam Tunnel at UNC-G
Member since Apr 2009
1584 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:33 pm to
Being fat at sea level is hard; being fat at altitude is exponentially harder.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:44 pm to
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Altitude doesn't prevent obesity. A lot of fit people choose to live in altitude conditions because, in general, there's more outdoor activities to do there. And, if there are more outdoor activities to do, then even the less fit people would be more likely to be active.


That doesn’t really explain why it’s lower in Appalachia though.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17756 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:47 pm to
Do demographics
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34928 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:49 pm to
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That doesn’t really explain why it’s lower in Appalachia though.


Lower population density. People that live in lower density areas tend to not eat shite tier food nearly as often as people who can Ubereats themselves a McDonald’s 20 piece any time they want.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21084 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:50 pm to
Meth
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31026 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:52 pm to
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This seems closely related to observations like the French Paradox — the French eat a lot of fatty cheese and butter, so why aren’t they fatter and sicker?


I just got back from a week in Paris and that was my observation as well, The total lack of fat people. It’s astonishing. The only things I could guess at were the absence of fast food restaurants and the fact that they do a ton of walking and biking around the city. They also smoke a lot.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11131 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:53 pm to
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That doesn’t really explain why it’s lower in Appalachia though.

Meth and opiates.

A lot of rural and isolated communities might cut down on the availability of convenient fast food also.
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2465 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:53 pm to
Mexico has a high obesity rate and half of its population lives over 7000 feet.
This post was edited on 10/15/22 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31026 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:54 pm to
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That doesn’t really explain why it’s lower in Appalachia though.


That’s pretty clear. I would assume that with lower oxygen levels your body needs to burn more calories. That is a physiological fact.
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40825 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 1:57 pm to
Fat people don't like cool weather... No idea
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
16953 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:00 pm to
I know from a cousin i have that lives outside Salt Lake, Utah, her family does all sorts of outdoor activities. Mountain biking, snow skiiing, hiking, etc.

Down here, between swapping days between the gym and Jiu Jitsu 5 days a week, i don’t really have active outdoor activities

So i can see why in places like this have fatties
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259809 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:00 pm to
People who like outdoor activity move to the mountains.

The outdoor lifestyle is prevalent in these places.
Posted by TchoupitoulasTiger
NOLA
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:05 pm to
It is a fascinating article.

Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53501 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:11 pm to
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Altitude doesn't prevent obesity.

Everest begs to differ. Your body is too preoccupied with surviving to get fat.
Posted by Chris Farley
Regulating
Member since Sep 2009
4180 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:13 pm to
You burn more calories at altitude. Your heart beats faster and your body generally has to work harder day to day to operate on less oxygen, even if you’re acclimated.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
22443 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:16 pm to
Walking up hills and mountains burns more calories

This is real big brain stuff here that’s difficult for the lOw-T incels to grasp
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35604 posts
Posted on 10/15/22 at 2:21 pm to
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Does altitude somehow prevent obesity?


No, but you have so much outdoor stuff to do. I hike all summer. Do some running at high elevation too.

Then winter? Well cross country and alpine ski season.

Its fun. its right there. you get into shape fast. Plus, your cardio is just better.
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