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re: Do Your Political Views Directly Reflect Your Religious Views?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:39 pm to NoHoTiger
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:39 pm to NoHoTiger
More of what actually happens is that they don't outright make abortion illegal. They just make it more difficult to get abortions by limiting the number of clinics and making it more difficult for abortion clinics to get licenses, and a hard right judiciary upholds states' ability to do this in the name of "states' rights."
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:39 pm to NoHoTiger
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Difference is, this is what YOU think
I understand what you mean, but do you not think it is a fact that there are more important issues? When we are talking about governing a nation, the abortion issue shouldn't be top priority. I am asking myself "is this my opinion?" or "is this a fact?" and while it is my opinion, I am trying to think about the fact part.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:50 pm to NoHoTiger
Okay, as for as it being a fact. I would say that there are quite a few issues that take priority over abortion. Would you agree? Homeland security, health care, national debt, economy, education.
When you consider what affects people the most, I think you can say it is a fact that there are issues that take priority over abortion. Does that make sense?
When you consider what affects people the most, I think you can say it is a fact that there are issues that take priority over abortion. Does that make sense?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:53 pm to OweO
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When we are talking about governing a nation, the abortion issue shouldn't be top priority. I am asking myself "is this my opinion?" or "is this a fact?" and while it is my opinion, I am trying to think about the fact part.
I agree with you. You could say the same about gay rights. In the grand scheme of things, who fricking cares? Those 2 things don't affect me at all.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:54 pm to OweO
I am a Christian. Not just by name or parent association, but because I believe fully in and on Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and have accepted all of the Bible as the very word of God, not as a mere guideline to apply or disregard as I see fit. Fiscally, if I wasn’t a Christian, I would still vote Republican because I am intelligent and educated and understand the dynamics of what a democratic economy and socialism leads to. Morally and religiously, as long as the democrats continue to push abortion (murder) I will NEVER vote Dem. That and the fact that they only make stands on issues that serve their whim at the time to simply hold onto power regardless of that stand being right or wrong . Dems and their liberal doctrine are filth and demonically inspired.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:59 pm to OweO
Are you trying to ask if someone could feel aborting an unborn child is morally reprehensible, yet be in favor of it based on socioeconomic reasons?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:04 pm to OweO
There definitely affected by moral standards which are affected by religious beliefs.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:18 pm to OweO
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the abortion issue shouldn't be top priority
One of the lasting effects of slavery in the US is the absolute mangling of the Constitution by the Supreme Court through the years.
Roe v. Wade is based on the Due Process Cause of the 14th Amendment, which reads "[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .." as an amplification of the 5th Amendment which was only applicable to the Federal government. This Amendment was an attempt to prevent Southern states from discriminating against the former slaves. Roe v. Wade argues (and at 7-2 at that) this extends somehow to include a right to an abortion?
The Civil Rights act of 1964 is based on the Commerce Cause (intended to prevent states from starting trade wars with each other, and because someone has to have jurisdiction on trade matters when multiple states are involved). So, the Civil Rights act is deemed Constitutional because ..... people who travel between different states often eat at restaurants? (this is literally how it is argued).
This precedent of using the Commerce Clause to do whatever the Fed wants ends up with the Constitution further being mangled in 2005 when the Supreme Court ruled that growing marijuana for personal use was also subject to the interstate Commerce Clause - because (get this), "It can interfere with national marijuana market".
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:40 pm to LSU2ALA
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The problem with the argument that Christians individually should take care of the poor, sick, etc is that is not how the Bible shows Israel was called. The idea was that the people of Israel as a tribe would be an example into the world. The idea that there would be different requirements for the people of Israel than for the nation of Israel is not something they would have recognized. They were one in the same.
In the OT, the Israelites did not clothe and feed indigent Philistines or outside needy people groups.
In the NT, the call to help your neighbor was not tied to government action or the ruling authority. It was a personal command in your community.
If people were perfect, Communism would be the most Christian solution for a society. The whole fallen nature thing keeps getting in the way unfortunately.
You have to realize that having the government force others to redistribute wealth was not what Jesus was talking about.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:48 pm to OweO
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I would say that there are quite a few issues that take priority over abortion. Would you agree? Homeland security, health care, national debt, economy, education.
If you believe that abortion is murder, the answer is often no.
Or put with more nuance, the difference in practice between our two parties on issues like homeland security, national debt, the economy and education are minimal relative to the difference on abortion.
I actually almost voted Democrat for the governor race (normally vote R), because the Republican candidate had what I perceived to be a terrible stance on school taxes that would directly affect my kids. Then I noticed that he supports late term abortion... I could not in good conscience pull the lever who supports late term abortion. That is beyond reprehensible.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:52 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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all of the Bible as the very word of God
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Dems and their liberal doctrine are filth and demonically inspired.
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because I am intelligent and educated
Lol
Posted on 11/7/18 at 3:02 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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I am a Christian. Not just by name or parent association, but because I believe fully in and on Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and have accepted all of the Bible as the very word of God, not as a mere guideline to apply or disregard as I see fit.
How hard is it to find clothes without mixed fabrics?
Posted on 11/7/18 at 3:11 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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FightnBobLafollette
Did you used to post on the old ESPN SEC boards back in the wild wild west days?
They had a poster form Wisconsin that had the same shallow, condescending posting style as you do.
They used to get their arse handed to them all the time by some woman from Kentucky, it was funny as hell.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 3:56 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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Lol
You have the right to lol at Christians because of Christian principle applied to the government of man in the form of the Constitution of the United States.
You Lol-ing at Christianity is a manifestation of the total true apostasy of man. If you were smart, you would hug a Christian instead of laughing at them and allowing liberal doctrine to deceive you.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 3:57 pm to OweO
I know a lot of people that personally would never have an abortion, but still believe it should be legal for others to make that decision for themselves.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 4:09 pm to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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I am a Christian. Not just by name or parent association, but because I believe fully in and on Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and have accepted all of the Bible as the very word of God, not as a mere guideline to apply or disregard as I see fit. Fiscally, if I wasn’t a Christian, I would still vote Republican because I am intelligent and educated and understand the dynamics of what a democratic economy and socialism leads to. Morally and religiously, as long as the democrats continue to push abortion (murder) I will NEVER vote Dem. That and the fact that they only make stands on issues that serve their whim at the time to simply hold onto power regardless of that stand being right or wrong . Dems and their liberal doctrine are filth and demonically inspired.
These are the types of people that make the young population not want to associate with Republicans.
Wackos that think people are actually possessed by the devil.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 4:19 pm to OweO
Sort of. No candidate is completely compatible with actual Christian values on all fronts. You don’t get to be a top politician by being a nice guy. But these guys are running a country, not a church. So it’s somewhere in between.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 4:29 pm to OweO
Of course not. The opposite - my theological views for the most part should not be in secular law (nor should anyone else's).
That's theocracy. That's Iran not the U.S.
That's theocracy. That's Iran not the U.S.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 4:30 pm to TheCaterpillar
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These are the types of people that make the young population not want to associate with Republicans.
Wackos that think people are actually possessed by the devil.
I agree with you, but both sides vilify each other. Republicans don't want to associate with democrats either. That is abundantly clear if you visit the Poliboard, which I don't advise, regardless of political affiliation. That's how polarized the country is. There is no middle ground, and no one is willing to work together for the greater good of the country.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 5:21 pm to Duane Dibbley
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you used to post on the old ESPN SEC boards back in the wild wild west days?
They had a poster form Wisconsin that had the same shallow, condescending posting style as you do.
They used to get their arse handed to them all the time by some woman from Kentucky, it was funny as hell.
No. Never posted on the ESPN. Ever.
I never get my arse handed to me, and certainly not by some toothless, meth smoking woman from Kentucky.
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