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Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:00 pm to AUjim
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The poor people in the bible are a lot different than the poor people of today.... widows, orphans, mentally ill, legitimately disabled are a whole different lot than our concept of 'the least of these' today
Ok. That doesn’t change anything.
Point to a time when it was done.
I’m sure there are some widows, orphans, etc. in the caravan. If they make it here Are you ready to comfort them?
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:03 pm to OweO
Of course not. Separation of church and state is important. This is a country of 300+ million people and dozens upon dozens of religions. One should stay neutral when it comes to politics and religion, out of respect for others.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:05 pm to CivilTiger83
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Liberals are much more likely to believe that morality is relative.
well this is quite the blanket statement.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:09 pm to OweO
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Do Your Political Views Directly Reflect Your Religious Views?
Not in the least bit. I wish the gap between government and religion were as large as the gulf between Republicans and Democrats.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:09 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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Ok. Are we pretending that Christians would take care of the poor if the government is removed?
To what standard? Like homeless shelter care?
Can you point to a time or place where you think this happened?
Btw, I think there are Christian charities that do wonderful work. I think there are religious people who do wonderful things. This isn’t intended as a slam on Christians.
Churches and Christian organizations already do this sort of thing.
Considering that more than half of Christian's charitable giving is done outside of a church, there's a lot of opportunity for that work to grow.
That is a important question for Christians though. What is the duty of the government and what is the duty of the Church? Some things managed by the government don't really have any business doing so.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:18 pm to cas4t
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well this is quite the blanket statement.
If I said, all Democrats are godless heathens, that would be an obviously wrong blanket statement.
When I say, (white) Democrats are more likely (than Republicans) to not believe in a God, and consequently that morality is relative... that is just facts born out by actual surveys from groups like the Pew Research Center. It doesn't mean all or a majority of Democrats hold those beliefs.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:39 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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Ok. Are we pretending that Christians would take care of the poor if the government is removed?
To what standard? Like homeless shelter care?
Can you point to a time or place where you think this happened?
Ever hear of the Red Cross? Salvation Army? These Christian based organizations were once much more significant in the world in meeting people's needs. Do you know how often today churches help with homeless shelters and soup kitchens?
Russ Roberts, a Stanford economist who does a popular podcast (and not a Christian), argues that welfare programs crowd out charitable giving. He says in the past our communities were more charitable.
Welfare does not necessarily equate with Judeo Christian values.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:22 pm to Clark W Griswold
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Abortion isn’t going anywhere so voting for a candidate based on that is dumb. And I am completely against it.
I wish more people understood this.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:24 pm to cas4t
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Separation of church and state is important.
I 100% agree with this, however; a lot of people do not understand this.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:32 pm to OweO
Do not believe in religion but I vote Republican on every issue.
So much for clinging to guns and religion.
So much for clinging to guns and religion.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:34 pm to OweO
Since I'm not religious, I dont care.
That said, the GOP is totally fricked. Proper fricked today. Epic arse kicking incoming in a few hours.
That said, the GOP is totally fricked. Proper fricked today. Epic arse kicking incoming in a few hours.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:44 pm to OweO
My views are that a man should keep his word. If he doesn’t, he isn’t even half a man.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:44 pm to OweO
I don’t know.
I’m agnostic leaning toward atheist,
But I’m also a small government conservative.
Most would think there is a conflict there but I do t really think so.
I’m agnostic leaning toward atheist,
But I’m also a small government conservative.
Most would think there is a conflict there but I do t really think so.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:46 pm to CelticDog
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liberals are more likely to think the entire bible is bunk and hokum. from Adams rib to Moses breaking the tablets to virgin conception
I’m a conservative and I think the same thing.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:48 pm to fr33manator
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r33manator
Why can't you ignore me?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:49 pm to Clark W Griswold
quote:Agree.
Abortion isn’t going anywhere
quote:Disagree.
so voting for a candidate based on that is dumb
If a candidate came out and said that they think "insert race/religion/sexual orientation here" should all be rounded up, placed in camps and/or euthanized, would you vote for them to be your representative? Using your logic that shouldn't influence your vote at all, since the scenario will never happen. Most people would and should be disgusted and would eliminate them from personal consideration.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 3:52 pm to OweO
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I wish more people understood this.
You wish more people agreed with your viewpoint. It's not a question of understanding.
We vote based on a wide range of factors, sometimes it's what tribe of people we identify with, sometimes it's based on personal past history, sometimes it's certain convictions.
If you believe that abortion is the killing of an innocent child, there is no bigger injustice in our society today. Just because it may not change, doesn't mean it should not be important to people who see it as a terrible injustice.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 4:13 pm to oauron
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Churches and Christian organizations already do this sort of thing. Considering that more than half of Christian's charitable giving is done outside of a church, there's a lot of opportunity for that work to grow. That is a important question for Christians though. What is the duty of the government and what is the duty of the Church? Some things managed by the government don't really have any business doing so.
Of course they do. I already acknowledged that.
The point is that it clearly isn’t enough. And it never has been.
Btw, this country is becoming less religious. Just on numbers alone it would be increasingly harder for the premise to be fulfilled as well as an increasing burden on shrinking contingent. This isn’t a Christian thing.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 4:30 pm to CivilTiger83
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Ever hear of the Red Cross? Salvation Army? These Christian based organizations were once much more significant in the world in meeting people's needs. Do you know how often today churches help with homeless shelters and soup kitchens?
Yes. I’ve heard of the Red Cross. And its establishment had nothing to do with religion. You do know that the Red Cross uses government money for relief efforts? It is a contracted agency.
Provide some proof they are less significant.
I already said there is good work being done You haven’t shown when it alone wa solely the provider and that it met all needs.
It isn’t surprising that you chopped my last paragraph. Lol
Lastly, when you attempt to make your arguement it is best to at least k ke what you are taking about.
Roberts isn’t a Stanford economist. He is a research fellow at the Hoover Institue, which is located at Stanford.
Stanford didn’t hire him. He wasn’t hired to teach and publish.
And of course he would be a proponent of that idea. He works for an institute that advocates limited gov. Nothing wrong with that.
I’m not sayjnf he is wrong, but let’s not pretend what the mission of his employer is. It’s not like they are going to Paul Krugman.
Stanford would. But not the Hoover. Again, that doesn’t make him bad or wrong, but let’s be honest.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 4:34 pm
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