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Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:26 pm to NfamousPanda
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Most people in the south think Republican = Christian. And IMO, the two are very far apart.
I am not a fan of bringing politics into religion, but I would wholeheartedly disagree that conservative ideals and Christian ideals are very far apart.
Abortion would be a big one. If you are talking about welfare and helping the poor, Christianity does not advocate for the government to help the poor... it calls individual Christians to do that.
Republicans are much more likely to hold that morality is absolute, and that morality comes from a Creator. Liberals are much more likely to believe that morality is relative.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:30 pm to CivilTiger83
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Republicans are much more likely to hold that morality is absolute, and that morality comes from a Creator. Liberals are much more likely to believe that morality is relative
liberals are more likely to think the entire bible is bunk and hokum. from Adams rib to Moses breaking the tablets to virgin conception.
If god actually produced 10 rules to live by and gave them to you via a burning bush there is only one reason to destroy them without offendin godfather. That's so no one can actually see the never existed rules. How handy.
Same as Mormon tablets. Conveniently gone.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:30 pm to CelticDog
I don’t want differing religious views to affect me, so I usually don’t support candidates that pander to religious folks. It’s a slippery slope.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:30 pm to CelticDog
quote:This applies to almost every Christian in the world
Most posters are fake christians. They don't even love Jesus
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:33 pm to OweO
My religious views temper my political views . For example , politically speaking we can all agree that this country could use a purge, But religiously, I oppose such a thing. Though my political side is starting to win out.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:34 pm to OweO
What does Pew research say about the difference in religious view between Democrats and Republicans...
Pew on Dem/Repub Religious Views
That lines up with perception... If you are white and Republican, odds are greater you hold some religious belief. Democratic minorities (blacks, Hispanics) are nearly as religious as white Republicans. White Democrats are the least religious of those groups, and it isn't really close.
Pew on Dem/Repub Religious Views
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Republicans and Democrats have very different beliefs about God. Democrats and those who lean toward the Democratic Party are less likely to say they believe in the God of the Bible than Republicans and Republican leaners (45% vs. 70%). Democrats are more likely than Republicans (39% vs. 23%) to say they believe in a higher power other than the biblical God. They also are more likely to say they don’t believe in any deity at all (14% vs. 5%). The survey also finds big racial differences among Democrats; most nonwhite Democrats – who are predominantly black or Hispanic – believe in God as described in the Bible (61%), compared to just 32% of white Democrats.
That lines up with perception... If you are white and Republican, odds are greater you hold some religious belief. Democratic minorities (blacks, Hispanics) are nearly as religious as white Republicans. White Democrats are the least religious of those groups, and it isn't really close.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:37 pm to OweO
Sort of in a way. I think the two big political parties have way too much power, similar to the big religions. I also realize that there are some good things about all of the above that get lost in the headlines.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:38 pm to OweO
Kinda. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone that believes abortions of convenience are ok. The way I look at it is when I cast a vote to elect someone, I am putting my trust in that person to represent my views and interests, and anyone that believes that killing babies is ok is on a wildly different moral plane than me. I don't expect to agree on every issue, in fact I'm not sure there has ever been or ever will be a candidate I agree with 100% of the time, but that's a story for another day.
Also, aren't you supposed to be self banned?
Also, aren't you supposed to be self banned?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:40 pm to cssamerican
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No, but if you believe that a fetus is a person than it’s murder, I don’t see where religion plays into that thought process. I find it strange that everyone looks at that as some religious belief.
This is my view on abortion. I don't really support it, but people have the right to make whatever decision they think is best for them and it isn't my place to judge them. And since it will still go on, no matter what, there might as well be away for them to have it done safely.
But to your point, for many people abortion is a sin so it is a religious issue. Same thing with gambling, a lot of people who oppose any type of gambling do so because they view it as a sin.
And for many, an issue like abortion is the singular factor that goes into why they vote for someone.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:42 pm to CivilTiger83
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Abortion would be a big one. If you are talking about welfare and helping the poor, Christianity does not advocate for the government to help the poor... it calls individual Christians to do that.
Ok. Are we pretending that Christians would take care of the poor if the government is removed?
To what standard? Like homeless shelter care?
Can you point to a time or place where you think this happened?
Btw, I think there are Christian charities that do wonderful work. I think there are religious people who do wonderful things. This isn’t intended as a slam on Christians.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:45 pm to FightnBobLafollette
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Are we pretending that Christians would take care of the poor if the government is removed
The poor people in the bible are a lot different than the poor people of today....
widows, orphans, mentally ill, legitimately disabled are a whole different lot than our concept of 'the least of these' today
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:48 pm to CivilTiger83
quote:Agree, but most people do it when convenient and more times than not, religion is twisted to fit a political view.
I am not a fan of bringing politics into religion
quote:Christianity doesn't really advocate the government to do much and that certainly includes abortion. There is more in the bible about helping the poor and needy than about abortion. The problem is people tend to cherry pick their religious beliefs. Therefore many that are pro-life are for capital punishment and opposed welfare and vice versa. Or they may justify their belief in favor of the dealth penalty by quoting the old testament and ignore the new testament when convenient. In other words, people have there beliefs and most just use their religious beliefs to back up their argument. It should be the other way around.
Abortion would be a big one. If you are talking about welfare and helping the poor, Christianity does not advocate for the government to help the poor... it calls individual Christians to do that.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:51 pm to CelticDog
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god actually produced 10 rules to live by and gave them to you via a burning bush there is only one reason to destroy them without offendin godfather. That's so no one can actually see the never existed rules. How handy.
Same as Mormon tablets. Conveniently gone.
This is dumb for so many reasons.
1. Mormon tablets. They were discovered and used to write a new history/create a new religion. Jews were Jews long before the Ten Commandments
2. Burning bush: has nothing to do with rules. Wrong story.
3. The 10 rules were on tablets. Joshua and Moses both came down the mountain with them. And he broke them in the camp.
I’m not saying any of it is true. But at least be accurate.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:52 pm to OweO
MIne actually don't. I work at a church, where I'm surrounded by people who support the Democratic party's current approach of support everyone, at any cost.
I'm much more fiscally conservative, so I tend to vote Republican. I believe that government mandated handouts and programs don't really count as someone upholding their "Christian" duty to help the poor and oppressed, so I have no issues not supporting that agenda.
Don't know if that makes much of any sense, but I'm for smaller government influence; instead, let's let people actually make a difference if they care as much as they say they do.
I'm much more fiscally conservative, so I tend to vote Republican. I believe that government mandated handouts and programs don't really count as someone upholding their "Christian" duty to help the poor and oppressed, so I have no issues not supporting that agenda.
Don't know if that makes much of any sense, but I'm for smaller government influence; instead, let's let people actually make a difference if they care as much as they say they do.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:52 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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politically speaking we can all agree that this country could use a purge,
No. We can’t all agree.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:54 pm to OweO
No. I am so strange. I am against abortion, but for the death penalty. My religion, and almost all civilized societies, are against the death penalty. I am just an ignorant moron, I suppose, but I still support the death penalty.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:54 pm to OweO
My religious views include honoring promises, which then affect my political leanings.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:56 pm to OweO
My social views directly reflect my religious views.
My political views are my social views plus economic analysis.
My political views are my social views plus economic analysis.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:58 pm to OweO
I believe in separation of state and religion. I personally won't have an abortion, but I'm not for telling other people not to. I just really don't give a shite what other people do as long as they don't steal from me.
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