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re: Do you embrace battery powered cars or will you use an ICE powered car to the bitter end?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:02 pm to Legion of Doom
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:02 pm to Legion of Doom
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And the what happens when a storm like Ida hits. Or a major blizzard hits the Northeast and knocks out power? You are kinda Out of luck.
In fairness it can be hard to find gas after a hurricane.
That said, I'd take a hybrid over an EV all day every day. Filling your tank is a lot faster than charging your battery.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:02 pm to Jimbeaux
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I have no problem with new technologies when they develop in a free and competitive marketplace where I know the success of the platform will be meticulously measured by the laws of supply and demand.
Exactly. Let the free market decide which direction to go. Stop trying to push and shove "green tech" down our collective throats.
To answer the OP, I'll stick with ICE for as long as it makes financial sense.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:04 pm to HubbaBubba
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:06 pm to Planetarium
quote:This is the problem though.
Exactly. Let the free market decide which direction to go. Stop trying to push and shove "green tech" down our collective throats.
Federal regulation by Democrats, controlled by leftists.
There is no free market. It's what the government regulates it to be.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:07 pm to jscrims
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I am probably too stupid to understand but aren’t we just exchanging one non-renewable resource for another going from gas to battery? Where Is the power to supply these charging stations coming from and do we have the infrastructure to support all this?
The CEO of Toyota and Elon Musk are aware of this. The CEO of Toyota said Texas would have to be plastered with windmills and solar panels east to west to make a dent. But more recently Toyota has had to jump on the EV bandwagon.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:08 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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In fairness it can be hard to find gas after a hurricane.
Sure but you always fill up before a storm and you are good to go.
If power is out for 7-10 days after a storm and all you have is an EV, you are fricked.
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That said, I'd take a hybrid over an EV all day every day. Filling your tank is a lot faster than charging your battery.
Agreed. Hybrid seems to be the best way forward.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:08 pm to High C
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I filled my truck up with ICE a few days ago, and now it’s running terribly.
Probably had water in it. You have to specify dry ice when you fill up.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:09 pm to HubbaBubba
I currently have both, Tesla for around town and Yukon XL for towing and vacation. EVs are a pain on road trips. You end up spending more on food than saving on gas.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:09 pm to SpotCheckBilly
Until the issues of longterm battery life retention, the finicky nature of lithium batteries, and overall cost are resolved, this won't happen. An all-EV society does also give the govt an extra modicum of control - "whoops, a 'storm' took out the grid in Florida, only a week after they refused a federal mask mandate. How unfortunate."
And petroleum is far from being scarce. Manufactured scarcity is the business model of the O+G industry.
EVs are a great idea, but I don't see ICE ever going fully obsolete for practical applications.
And petroleum is far from being scarce. Manufactured scarcity is the business model of the O+G industry.
EVs are a great idea, but I don't see ICE ever going fully obsolete for practical applications.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:14 pm to Legion of Doom
quote:Switching every vehicle to EV would require a roughly 25% increase in the total power that is generated. Considering it'll take decades to approach that level of adoption, I think we can manage. Also, given that the majority of charging happens at night during off-peak hours, we likely won't need much more total generation capacity.
It’s going to be a while before the electric grid will be able to support all of the electric cars.
quote:Kinda out of luck as far as getting gas, too. Those with home solar and battery backups have a huge advantage, though, as they can live comfortably (including keeping the EV charged) indefinitely with the grid down and no access to gas.
And the what happens when a storm like Ida hits. Or a major blizzard hits the Northeast and knocks out power? You are kinda Out of luck.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:16 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
I’m die hard ice but they’re going to price us out at some point.
Picking up 10 cylinders of American hrspwr this Friday.
Picking up 10 cylinders of American hrspwr this Friday.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:19 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Do you believe we should stop devoting tens of billions of dollars of our military budget to protecting global oil supply lines in order to stabilize prices? The market can't be free until we stop doing that.
I have no problem with new technologies when they develop in a free and competitive marketplace where I know the success of the platform will be meticulously measured by the laws of supply and demand.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:23 pm to HubbaBubba
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Do you embrace this, or are you going to wait until you are faced with no other option, or when gasoline becomes so scarce that it costs $12 a gallon?
Price of electricity will go up to match due to the increased demand, so that doesn't really matter. If you think they will leave money on the table you're wrong. they'll keep the margins as razor thin as possible so that EV is just *slightly* better.
Anyway I drive old vehicles and will drive them until they quite literally fall apart. And that will take a while.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:25 pm to HubbaBubba
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California just passed into law that by 2035 all new cars sold in California must be zero carbon emitting.
Fake news
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:28 pm to HubbaBubba
Hybrid is prob the way to go. In the beginning the hybrids were plug ins and generally ugly as shite.
But now you can get a hybrid truck that you dont ever have to plug in.
But now you can get a hybrid truck that you dont ever have to plug in.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:30 pm to HubbaBubba
The OP has this implication that people who are and will continue to use gas powered cars for the foreseeable future are bad people.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:33 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't know how long it will take to get to this point, but once we do, I think most people will embrace EVs and ICEs will be for the hobbyists that love to drive.
I think we are pretty far still. the auto braking on cars can frick up in those pedestrian tests, especially on turns or them walking out between two cars.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:33 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:Yes, and mostly for reasons of self-sufficiency and freedom.
Do you embrace battery powered cars
With an ICE vehicle, I have no hope of ever acquiring the equipment necessary to produce my own fuel, nor of securing a supply of raw materials to make it.
With an EV, the equipment required to produce all the energy we need to live and get around is attainable by an individual.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:33 pm to jclem11
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Sure but you always fill up before a storm and you are good to go.
And an EV isn't charged?
Btw most gas stations within 25 miles of nola ran out of gas 2+ days prior to landfall of Ida.
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If power is out for 7-10 days after a storm and all you have is an EV, you are fricked.
Again, the nola area post ida didn't have gas for nearly a week.
Also if the power is going to be out for 7-10 days me and my family have ledt by day 2 at the latest.
An EV is superior to ICE in a natural disaster situation. Doubly so if you have a nat gas generator.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:34 pm to HubbaBubba
No
Imagine the mess in a hurricane evacuation
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