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Do you buy that the Villisca, Iowa and Hinterkaifeck, Germany axe killer are the same?

Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:45 am
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:45 am
1912 and then 1922

Villisca

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The Villisca axe murders occurred between the evening of June 9, 1912, and the early morning of June 10, 1912, in the town of Villisca, Iowa, United States. The six members of the Moore family and two guests were found bludgeoned in the Moore residence. All eight victims, including six children, had severe head wounds from an axe.


Hinterkaifeck

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The Hinterkaifeck murders occurred on the evening of March 31, 1922, when six inhabitants of a small Bavarian farmstead, located approximately 70 kilometres (43 mi) north of Munich, Germany, were murdered by an unknown assailant. The six victims were Andreas Gruber (aged 63) and Cäzilia Gruber (aged 72); their widowed daughter Viktoria Gabriel (aged 35); Viktoria's children, Cäzilia (aged 7) and Josef (aged 2); and the maid, Maria Baumgartner (aged 44). They were all found struck dead. The perpetrator (or perpetrators) lived with the six corpses of their victims for three days. The murders are considered one of the most gruesome and puzzling unsolved crimes in German history.


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Author Bill James, in his book, The Man from the Train, alleges that a man known as Paul Mueller may have been responsible for the murders. Mueller was the only suspect in the 1897 murder of a Massachusetts family, and James believes Mueller killed dozens of victims based on research in American newspaper archives. The Hinterkaifek murders bear some similarities to Mueller's suspected crimes in the United States, including the slaughter of an entire family in their isolated home, use of the blunt edge of a farm tool as a weapon (a pick axe), and the apparent absence of robbery as a motive. James suspects that Mueller, described as a German immigrant in contemporary media, might have departed the US for his homeland after private investigators and journalists began to notice and publicize patterns in family murders across state lines following the brazen 1912 murder of two families in a single night in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and a similar family murder weeks afterward a few hundred miles away in neighboring Kansas.


Bonus question: Is he the New Orleans Axe Man?



This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 10:47 am
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10820 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:51 am to
Why are you axing us?
Posted by adamau
Member since Oct 2020
4303 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:53 am to
Axechually, I do
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89076 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Bonus question: Is he the New Orleans Axe Man?


frick. Beat me to it.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:02 am to
It seems a bit of a stretch to tie every single notable axe murder from 1895 to 1922 to the same killer, so I’m not quite buying it he New Orleans connection.


That being said, I heard about Villisca before I heard about Hinterkaifeck, and when someone first told me about Hinterkaifeck, the circumstances of the deaths seemed so similar, I thought they were telling me about Villisca before I caught on that this was supposed to take place in Germany.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23927 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:03 am to
He might be the Axe Man, but he’ll never be the arse Man.

Posted by Epaminondas
The Boot
Member since Jul 2020
5917 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Bonus question: Is he the New Orleans Axe Man?
The Axeman of New Orleans apparently targeted Italian immigrants and used the blade of the ax rather than a blunt object.
(From what I can remember from a book I read).
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134654 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:07 am to
Hinterkaifeck really interests me. There’s a theory it was a solider, presumed dead and returning they found his wife with another man
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25917 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:12 am to
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March 31, 1922


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The six victims were Andreas Gruber (aged 63) and Cäzilia Gruber (aged 72); their widowed daughter Viktoria Gabriel (aged 35); Viktoria's children, Cäzilia (aged 7) and Josef (aged 2); and the maid, Maria Baumgartner (aged 44)


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There’s a theory it was a solider, presumed dead and returning they found his wife with another man


The body count doesn’t seem to include another man for the widow, but if it was a soldier presumed dead from WWI he’d have easily confirmed suspicions because of that 2-year old boy.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
12637 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:16 am to
My brother had a slam piece from Villisca in college. Talk about a far flung place.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:21 am to
This theory is based on claims made by German POWs in Russia who claimed that a “German-speaking Soviet” had himself claim to be the Hinterkaifeck murderer. Through a convoluted train of thought, some had suspected that this Soviet might have been the Hinterkaifeck woman’s long-thought dead husband based off some sketchy reports that the husband had said he wanted to go to Russia. These prisoners’ statements were later revised and their credibility is certainly questioned.

Edit: Something seems very improbable about faking your death, defecting to Russia, coming home after 8 years and being that upset that your “widow” moved on with her life.

You would think that getting to start over with a whole new wife and family would have been a part of his plan all along.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 11:25 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75184 posts
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:34 am to
I don't buy that Iowa is real. I'm not sure it even exists.
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