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Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:48 pm to Salmon
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the basic logic that masks reduce the spread of water droplets/vapor that carry the virus
This logic doesn't hold up.
Every single person in Japan is wearing a mask and has been wearing a mask since covid broke out.
Not they are seeing a pretty significant spike in cases.
And it's not because they aren't wearing masks...
So either it does curb spread or doesn't. Objectively we are seeing it's failing to do so in a country that literally has a universal mask mandate.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:50 pm to Magician2
The US spike reported ~73,500 new cases on Friday alone. The OP's number for Japan's spike was 4,654 for the entire week (~650/day).
If a spike to about 650 cases in a day is newsworthy for a population of about 130mil, seems like Japan is doing something right.
If a spike to about 650 cases in a day is newsworthy for a population of about 130mil, seems like Japan is doing something right.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:51 pm to Magician2
Japan has like 120 million people. That number is pretty low considering.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:52 pm to chryso
I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of China or Japan.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:55 pm to Magician2
quote:
This logic doesn't hold up.
Every single person in Japan is wearing a mask and has been wearing a mask since covid broke out.
Not they are seeing a pretty significant spike in cases.
And it's not because they aren't wearing masks...
because they are opening back up and people are increasingly exposed to others
once again...no one has claimed masks are 100% effective
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Objectively we are seeing it's failing to do so in a country that literally has a universal mask mandate.
objectively we have no idea what their spread would be without masks
but I can apply basic logic and plenty of studies that show the effectiveness of masks limiting the spread to some degree
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:55 pm to Vood
quote:And I've seen some nasty arse masks walking around my area. Those flimsy white/blue paper shite no thick than a Kleenex people are wearing for days/weeks on end and throw up on their dashboards when they get in the car are hilarious. They are probably infested with germs and bacteria.
Non N95 masks don't work. This crap about I am protecting you not me with a paper mask on is the biggest load of bs since it was first spoken.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 1:58 pm to Privateer 2007
quote:Based on OP's numbers, Japan's 7-day average is 664 cases in a population over 127 million.
7 Day Average
158 cases
3 deaths
Population over 10 million.
Basically, sheltering frail people. And no huge events.
Getting the herd strong.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:04 pm to Salmon
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but I can apply basic logic and plenty of studies that show the effectiveness of masks limiting the spread to some degree
Cite some.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:04 pm to Gravitiger
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Based on OP's numbers, Japan's 7-day average is 664 cases in a population over 127 million.
These geniuses can compute statistics based on population sizes easily when it comes to racial disparity in crime but when it comes to mask wearing math is suddenly too hard for them.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:05 pm to Magician2
quote:
This logic doesn't hold up.
Every single person in Japan is wearing a mask and has been wearing a mask since covid broke out.
Not they are seeing a pretty significant spike in cases.
And it's not because they aren't wearing masks...
So either it does curb spread or doesn't. Objectively we are seeing it's failing to do so in a country that literally has a universal mask mandate
Again, Japan has less than 1,000 deaths total. Obviously they are doing something right that we are not. Using Japan as an example that masks don't work is part of the overall stupidity that puts us in the situation we are currently in.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:06 pm to martiallaw
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Again, Japan has less than 1,000 deaths total. Obviously they are doing something right that we are not. Using Japan as an example that masks don't work is part of the overall stupidity that puts us in the situation we are currently in.
What if the only thing they're doing right is "genetic" and/or close proximity to China, the presumed progenitor of these recent coronaviruses?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:11 pm to Magician2
Yep, we've had an endless wave of every type of flu known to humankind since we have had the microbiological knowledge to identify them. /yawn
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:12 pm to martiallaw
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Again, Japan has less than 1,000 deaths total. Obviously they are doing something right that we are not.
Ya, it's called not having the majority of your population being obese diabetic slobs.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:18 pm to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
Cite some.
I'll be honest.
If I thought the effort was worth it, I would, but I just don't think its worth the effort.
Sorry.
But if you want to prove me wrong, pull up some of the big studies on Google and show me how they are all wrong.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:23 pm to Salmon
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I'll be honest.
If I thought the effort was worth it, I would, but I just don't think its worth the effort.
Sorry.
But if you want to prove me wrong, pull up some of the big studies on Google and show me how they are all wrong.
Hahaha. Are you afraid of what you might find out?
I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm wanting you to back up your claims that you can cite all these papers showing the effectiveness of masks in reducing infections.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:23 pm to martiallaw
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Again, Japan has less than 1,000 deaths total. Obviously they are doing something right that we are not. Using Japan as an example that masks don't work is part of the overall stupidity that puts us in the situation we are currently in.
Wait it's now about deaths?
It's been solely about positive cases as the talking point.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:24 pm to Supermoto Tiger
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1. Had COVID-19
2. Has COVID-19
3. Will have COVID-19
Yes, but a fourth category: 4. Cannot get Covid-19
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:27 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Hahaha. Are you afraid of what you might find out?
Not really, no, because I've read several of the studies and they all come to the same conclusion, that masks help to some degree
the degree in which they help and whether or not the social aspects are worth it is whats really up for debate
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I'm wanting you to back up your claims that you can cite all these papers showing the effectiveness of masks in reducing infections.
I know. And if I thought you would actually take the time to read all the studies and/or they might influence your opinion, I might, but like I said, it seems like too much effort for a predictable outcome.
Its a bitch move, I know, but such is life on the internet.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:27 pm to RT1941
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If high risk elderly on oxygen aren't sheltering at home, and they are willingly exposing themselves in public places, then why should "I" have a responsibility to protect them from my germs by wearing a mask?
Do you think that one old person you saw is proof that all vulnerable people are taking wild risks? Otherwise your rant makes no sense.
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