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re: Do Masks work? Second Wave - Covid spikes in Asia (Japan)
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:12 pm to slackster
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:12 pm to slackster
quote:Sigh
How is that even studied?
If the entire premise is that masks help limit your own droplets, how would measuring infection rates among physicians be useful?
Study is about physicians wearing masks vs non wearing masks in surgery room and rate of secondary infection in the patient. So this is a doctor hovering over patient for hours, and the rate of infection stays the same with or without a mask. And, likely, it is asymptomatic physicians as only a dickhead would go into surgery sick
I will link it
LINK
Cant find the study right now, just the opinion based on the results
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:20 pm to GenesChin
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seems like Japan is doing something right.
Same thing as most of Asia, much more concentrated exposure to SARS-COV-1
Also, very limited but very focused testing to prevent clusters, instead of testing anyone and everyone under the sun, even if they are asymptomatic.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:20 pm to lsupride87
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Sigh
Don't sigh me when you made an unclear post.
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Cant find the study right now, just the opinion based on the results
I'm checking it out now, thanks.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
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Cant find the study right now, just the opinion based on the results
this seems to be what you are wanting
LINK
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:30 pm to Penrod
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There are 100 studies I could have cited. Shame on you for arguing something so obvious
After a quick skim of most of this one, it really doesn't help the cause for universal masking, as that is generally cloth masks. This paper is a review of medical masks and respirators.
From that paper, citing the author's previous work:
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The study suggests cloth masks may increase the risk of infection ( MacIntyre et al., 2015 ), but may not be generalizable to all homemade masks. The material, design and adequacy of washing of cloth masks may have been a factor ( Macintyre et al., 2020 ). There are no other randomised controlled trial of cloth masks published at this time, but if any protection is offered by these it would be less than even a medical mask
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:31 pm to Magician2
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Japan confirmed cases
July 18: 3,003
July 25: 4,654
So, you're saying a very densely populated country of 130 million people has had a notable spike which consists of:
only 225 cases a day for the entire country of 130 million over the past week.
And, that the US wouldn't do well to look at what they're doing better to contain this?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:31 pm to Salmon
Thanks. That is it
Background
Main results
Background
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Surgeons and nurses performing clean surgery wear disposable face masks. The purpose of face masks is thought to be two-fold: to prevent the passage of germs from the surgeon's nose and mouth into the patient's wound and to protect the surgeon's face from sprays and splashes from the patient. Face masks are thought to make wound infections after surgery less likely. However, incorrectly worn masks may increase the likelihood of the wound getting contaminated with germs. We wanted to discover whether wearing a face mask during surgery makes infections of the wound more likely after the operation.
Main results
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We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials. We identified no new trials for this latest update.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:34 pm to lsupride87
while its interesting, it certainly isn't a study that I would throw all of my chips into
also I have no idea if the mechanism of transmission of bacteria to an open wound and a respiratory virus are comparable?
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Quality of the evidence
The findings from this review cannot be generalised for several reasons: the studies included only looked at clean surgery, some of the studies did not specify what type of face mask was used and one of the studies did not involve many participants therefore making the findings less credible. The quality of the studies we found was low overall. The way in which participants were selected for the studies was not always completely random, which means the authors' judgements could have influenced the results. More research in this field is needed before making further conclusions about the use of face masks in surgery.
also I have no idea if the mechanism of transmission of bacteria to an open wound and a respiratory virus are comparable?
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:34 pm to kciDAtaE
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So the lockdown worked then? In regards of slowing the spread. So many people here were screaming that lockdown was dumb and “why allow grocery stores to be open” and other nonsense
of course staying inside your house will slow the spread of a virus that requires contact with other people to contract. However, that also didn't kill the virus, it just stretched out the infections over a longer period of time. That also happened to be the entire point of the lockdown, less we forget. They were put in place so hospitals didn't get overwhelmed.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:43 pm to Penrod
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Are you kidding me? I've seen thousands of people together without a mask in sight. Go to the beaches of Florida, and you will see this yourself. Look at the BLM protests. Half seem to be wearing masks, but then half are not. Go into a bar and look around. I had dinner at Porter and Lukes in Metairie twice in the last month. Everyone in the restaurant is carefully wearing masks, but the bar area is stuffed with maskless people.
I see far more masks now in daily life than I ever prior when they became a mandate here (Williamson Co TN) like three weeks ago, yet the cases keep going up and up. Why is that? We've had no protests or riots here. We've had no large gatherings. People aren't really going to church. Restaurants are opened but at limited capacity. No movie theaters or event spaces holding events. Schools are delaying openings. What gives?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:46 pm to wm72
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And, that the US wouldn't do well to look at what they're doing better to contain this?
Can you tell us what they're doing differently? It should be pretty obvious if it's caused such a significant difference. I do see where they've tested 715k people compared to our nearly 55 million. Pretty stark difference IMO.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:50 pm to lsufball19
Japan from very early on understood that the vast majority of people getting this are asymptomatic and giving them any attention is foolish. Instead, they had very focused contact tracing from the very start focused on the "super spreaders". They haven't tested everyone under the sun because they know there is not point doing so.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:53 pm to IAmNERD
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Common sense tells me that they help contain larger drops of saliva, but doesn't stop all of the particles that could contain virus.
When I wear a mask and glasses, my glasses fog up. That would indicate to me, that some of my breath is escaping the mask, and getting into the air. Seems that masks might provide some reduction of the spread of particles, but I would bet it is minimal. That coupled with the fact that I see a shite ton of people wearing masks incorrectly tells me masks won't do shite.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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Sweden is pretty much done.
Yep, I really admire their response. They had a clear headed, logical plan and accepted that there was going to be some pain getting past it. The Swedish epidemiologist who spearheaded the strategy must have a huge set of balls to have made the call that he made. Went against the whole world and was right.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:11 pm to lsufball19
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Can you tell us what they're doing differently? It should be pretty obvious if it's caused such a significant difference. I do see where they've tested 715k people compared to our nearly 55 million. Pretty stark difference IMO.
The only reason you need so many tests is when you have rampant infections and little idea of exactly how many or where they are!
It's the first step that we've never been able to get past.
I can tell you that Japan contained the initial outbreak to the point that for months now they have only needed to use tests to identify the few actual emerging hotspots and try to contain those through contact tracing.
The more efficiently you test, the less you need to keep testing! That's what our half-assed "plan" was too but we couldn't contain the first outbreak.
That's why now major testers like Quest are running low on supplies and many tests are now delayed 10 days, rendering them useless. It's not we've really even made it to the point of successful contact tracing over 6 months into this when Japan was doing it from their initial case.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:20 pm to kciDAtaE
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So the lockdown worked then? In regards of slowing the spread. So many people here were screaming that lockdown was dumb and “why allow grocery stores to be open” and other nonsense
Lockdowns do work in terms of stopping transmission speed. But at what costs? The wave has been flattened and weathered, let it now run its course so we don’t have to just print frick kids of lines to bail out every company in the entire country.
But know, unless we are locked down until a viable vaccine is forcibly administered to almost everyone, there will be a spike in this terrible disease.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:26 pm to wm72
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I can tell you that Japan contained the initial outbreak
How did they do that? What did they do differently than us?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:29 pm to Magician2
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Do Masks work?
Yes. Masks work.
Will wearing a non-N95 masks stop you from getting covid? No, but it will significantly reduce the chance of you spreading covid and other germs to someone else.
Plus it helps hide your ugly face.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:32 pm to lsufball19
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What did they do differently than us?
1. Not pretending "it wasn't coming here" until parts of the country had thousands infected
2. Not making the mistake of having no tests ready in January/February. So they were able to actually find out if "it was coming here" before it had spread everywhere
3. Contact tracing since they didn't make either of the first 2 mistakes
4. actually wearing the damn masks in large numbers
5. actually following the social distancing advice in large numbers
6. Not going head over heels about large crowded gatherings
7. continued, nationally organized spot testing and aggressive contact tracing
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 7/27/20 at 4:34 pm to Salmon
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also I have no idea if the mechanism of transmission of bacteria to an open wound and a respiratory virus are comparable?
I think the logic here is that bacteria are ~2 to 20 times the size of viruses.
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