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re: Did It All Start with the Hippies?

Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:37 am to
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:37 am to
Well you want to know when the gender stuff started being pushed into the mainstream its with social media and specifically girls on tumblr.


This entire movement was pushed by teenage girls on the internet.

This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 9:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:38 am to
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Just search trans and tumblr.


Right. Tumblr was the outreach media for trannyism.

Autistic nerds are faaaar more of a problem than Hippies.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:40 am to
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Prior to 1994, America Online prohibited the use of “transvestite” and “transsexual” in public chat names, effectively banning any public transgender discussion space.


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The rise of the World Wide Web, in contrast, opened new spaces outside of such corporate “walled gardens.” With the World Wide Web came a platform that, much like Tumblr, became an unintended trans technology: the homepage. Though largely abandoned as a social platform by the early 2000s, the homepage was the first large-scale format to offer space for identity exploration (Susan Driver Citation2005; Katherine Walker Citation2000). During its height, transgender users eagerly embraced the format.


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Perceptions of Tumblr as a safe space and community enabled meaningful identity change. Jessica described becoming “more secure in my decision to transition because of social media and being able to connect with people who had been through what I was going through, or who were in a similar phase … ” Tumblr’s anonymity also enabled identity change, as Trystan described:


But tumblr doesn allow adult content now or something with no female nipples so the girls getting their tits chopped off cant post pictures of their chests anymore.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 9:45 am
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:48 am to
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It started in earnest from the greatest generation WW2. What I mean is they went through some shite. And if you made it through and came back home it changed you.


From a social standpoint, yes. After WWII the US became a superpower almost by default. Europe was in complete shambles because of WWII. Japan was too. And the rest of Asia, along with South America and Africa was mostly still agrarian.

The men and women who lived through WWII did not want to have to go through that again. And they certainly didn't want their children to do so. So they searched for peace and many made it a point to allow their children to live in that peace and tranquility. The good times, both socially and economically, led to the baby-boomers become more free spirited and "liberal" than their parents. That generation, in the 60's, changed America. So of the changes were good. Others weren't. By the time Vietnam rolled around no one wanted to fight another war. Particularly one that, to many, seemed mostly unnecessary. Nevertheless, the government forced them to do so. Except now the same patriotic fervor that existed in the 40's didn't exist in the late 60's. Vietnam had not blatantly attacked the US like the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. Society became distrustful and disillusioned with the government.

Ultimately, we now live in the most peaceful and globally connected time in human history. But human beings, particularly westerners, NEED stimulation. So with really very little real problems around the world (relative to the constant warring, famine, etc, etc, that existed for most of human history) we have manifested what once were minor inconveniences into "major" issues mostly to create conflict to avoid being bored.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:56 am to
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Why can’t people just be normal? It just seems so abnormal these days.



That's what goes back to the Enlightenment really. That's when this focus on "science," and the creeping in of "acceptance," began.

And I use those terms loosely, but by and large, shame became less and less a tool over time to encourage people to live a particular way. The Enlightenment didn't make science more concrete, it made it more fuzzy. We decided that it could be the answer to everything no matter what situation. People became numbers and digits, essentially - and politically this is behind most of your most evil movements - abortion, euthanasia, eugenics, etc. - it's all about people as data that feed into models (and is quite possibly climate change and a plethora of other movements). Abortion - let's turn happiness into an equation and make sure we balance it, and allow people to balance it for themselves. Euthanasia - same story. Happiness is calculable and if someone's calculation is off, well that's ok. Because science. Eugenics - let's turn evolution into an equation we can perfect. Because science.

Hippies were kind of the result of many years of weakening shame, social pressure, strong social cohesion and opinions, within larger cultures, and an expansion of science to solve every single problem ever - thus the spread into Academia and the study of everything. And it's going to solve all the world's problems - because math tells us there's a "limit" to the world's population and resource use. Because science.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
9217 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:58 am to
A good portion of the blame can be placed at the feet of Woodrow fricking Wilson. Add LBJ can take a huge chunk of the rest. frick them both to hell.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:59 am to
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Robert Bork claimed it started in the 1920s Hmmmm... What event taking place in 1920 could be responsible? Hint: I don't mean prohibition.

I am at a loss as to what event you are referring. Please enlighten those of us who are uninformed.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19551 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:07 am to
Yes, I’ve maintained this for years now.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55826 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:10 am to
We need more shame and we need it in a big way.

I think a lot of our more macro problems would self-correct if the population felt more shame about being a trashy loser and took more pride in their appearance, career, home, etc. Nothing matters to anyone anymore.

eta: Also, we need to kill the word "happy" from our vocabulary. People aren't meant to be "happy".
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:11 am
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:16 am to
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I think a lot of our more macro problems would self-correct if the population felt more shame about being a trashy loser and took more pride in their appearance, career, home, etc. Nothing matters to anyone anymore.


Yes.

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eta: Also, we need to kill the word "happy" from our vocabulary. People aren't meant to be "happy".



Ding ding ding.

But almost all of our modern movements are based on trying to analyze "happiness" and "good" outcomes as an equation that can be balanced across a variety of random, non-mathematical factors. Even the concept of equality, when it's used beyond it's actual meaning, is simply an approximation of tweakable outcomes that can be manipulated to get an equal level of happiness" It's ludicrous. And we chase it, over and over and over again.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:33 am to
Too busy destroying conservative families and communities of non-whites through policy and police instead of promoting American values. And still having too many individuals making the GOP uninviting for people who actually believe in most of the things conservatives are aligned with. Doing itself no favors. GOP could dominate the legislation if they would stop being so shortsighted.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35634 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:06 pm to
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Also, we need to kill the word "happy" from our vocabulary. People aren't meant to be "happy".





That should be an easy movement to sell.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10892 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:19 pm to
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What inspired me to start this thread was someone mentioned in another thread that, 30-40 years ago, you didn’t see all the “trans” movement you see now. Where did this come from?


Insane Asylums we’re deemed ‘Inhumane’
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261332 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:22 pm to
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This entire movement was pushed by teenage girls on the internet.


Yep, someone who worked here wanted a tampon machine in the mens room for her kids when they come in. Her three daughters went through a phase, none of it stuck very long.

Posted by TomballTiger
Htown
Member since Jan 2007
3782 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:24 pm to
what pray tell is the motivation to encourage homosexuality? Who is behind it? there must be some financial reason behind this grand conspiracy. please enlighten us. the level of insanity here never fails to amaze me. You are a disservice to your screen name.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
9700 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:30 pm to
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Ultimately, we now live in the most peaceful and globally connected time in human history. But human beings, particularly westerners, NEED stimulation. So with really very little real problems around the world (relative to the constant warring, famine, etc, etc, that existed for most of human history) we have manifested what once were minor inconveniences in the "major" issues mostly to create conflict to avoid being bored.


I think this is a huge factor.

The old saying. Bad times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak mean, weak men create bad times.

I think we are in the period of good times create weak men. You think humans in a few hundred years will look back at our generation and think we were a bunch of pussys
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
12477 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:07 pm to
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Khrushchev was right about taking over America without firing a shot.

Dictators take by force, commies eliminate the middle class and get voted in by the poor.
Posted by JackaReaux
BR
Member since Feb 2017
729 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:39 pm to
Beatniks. Read a book
Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
Texas
Member since Jul 2022
254 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:44 pm to
To add one thing to the mix (as there are so many aspects to all this, and I see where so many posters have nicely hashed them out)...

With WW2 and then the initial years of the Cold War, and the nature of these situations, a lot of society really started looking up to the generals, the politicians, the media, etc., for guidance. There arose a kind of trust in the 'elites' that hadn't really previously been a part of American culture or society. It went hand-in-hand with people wanting to just put everything on auto-pilot. They were worn out by years and years of Depression and then War, and then the fears of the atom-bomb. People 'checked-out,' and left everything to those they deemed experts, from Dr. Spock to Walter Cronkite. They basically handed over their authority to a lot of northeastern liberal elites, who dictated all trends from art to media to government. In essence, they handed their kids' brains over to them.

With the addition of technology, advertising and the business world helping to cultivate a whole new 'teen' consumer class, which was a new, separate entity, it drilled into the growing baby-boomer generation a sense of self-importance and specialness. Which gradually began defining itself as a rebellious opposite to everything before it. Stoked by the usual commie anti-American types. And this pretty much led to the hippies, and ripped up the fabric that used to keep the society strong, and had contributed to positive, moral civilizational growth.

In shorthand, yeah, I blame the hippies. But in the wider scope, as I described above, it was baked in the cake. The country basically went off the rails rather quickly following WW2, as it handed over all authority to lefty pie-in-sky intellectuals and elites. Normal folks had maybe a decade or two of easy-going life, fairly oblivious, and living with blinders on, while all that rot was taking hold, finally to explode in their faces by the 1960s.
Posted by Dudley Humptyfrats
'Murica
Member since Oct 2010
2138 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:46 pm to
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What event taking place in 1920 could be responsible?
Income tax?
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