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re: Did Burke Ramsey kill JonBenét Ramsey?

Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:29 am to
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46339 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:29 am to
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She could have touched someone and then touched her underwear when she went to the restroom.


It wasn’t touch contact dna. They scraped under her fingernails.
Posted by Evil Little Thing
Member since Jul 2013
11621 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:56 am to
Wasn’t it a pretty weak amount of DNA from nail clippings? It’s been a while since I read about the case, but I don’t recall them saying it was a significant amount indicating defensive scratches.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
46339 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:58 am to
Well, she had tiny nails so I wouldn’t be surprised but it was more than contact.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127346 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 6:59 am to
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OldmanBeasley
I went to bed too early last night
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127346 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:02 am to
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SpaceCamp
Posted by schatman
Montana
Member since Nov 2018
2958 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:45 am to
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My avatar is actually not Jonbenet aged, but a young lady I know whose resemblance to her at that time often caused stares or comments. She once asked me, "Why does everyone look at me?"


And you have an avatar of her? Yeah...that's not creepy at all.
Posted by schatman
Montana
Member since Nov 2018
2958 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:25 am to
Someone had stalked the family and was likely known to them. Someone admired her from afar. It was a crime of lust that went too far. I can think of several cases where a victim was killed, then the murderer tried to extract money after the fact- the Alaskan case comes to mind. The Lindbergh baby. Etc. Then, he simply wiped his fingerprints from the garotte, the mag lite, etc. We've already established that Boulder PD was inept- who knows what DNA was tainted or removed in their investigation.
You state this as a fact- but what is the crazier scenario? The one you mentioned, or parents covering up a son's crime by strangling AND penetrating their daughter? Think about that for a minute.

Look, I get why people want to think it was family. Most of us have kids. It's easier to think it was some insane thing that happened from within. The alternative is to be reminded that there ARE some sick people in this world that would harm our children on a whim and an opportunity. Just do a search of how many sex offenders are in a 5 mile radius of your own home. It's terrifying.
Posted by PhantomMenace
Member since Oct 2017
1946 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:35 am to
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My avatar is actually not Jonbenet aged, but a young lady I know whose resemblance to her at that time often caused stares or comments. She once asked me, "Why does everyone look at me?"


And you have an avatar of her? Yeah...that's not creepy at all.


She was a child model I photographed numerous times. The avatar is from a photo taken in my garden. I personally witnessed complete strangers asking her to pose for photos with them due to her resemblance to JB, but as a child I do not think she had any idea why. Still see her occasionally, and purely by coincidence, yesterday.
Posted by schatman
Montana
Member since Nov 2018
2958 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:39 am to
So, she's in both of your pics? And she's not a family member?

That is creepy AF.

ETA- nevermind- if the bottom pic is your daughter, forget what I said.
If not- change your pics.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 8:42 am
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82738 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:48 am to
His basement window intruder theory is shot to shite when you look at the photos of the untouched spider webs along the bottom of the window
Posted by PhantomMenace
Member since Oct 2017
1946 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:51 am to
The bottom signature pic is a different young lady. I change pics from time to time.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15793 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:09 am to
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Someone had stalked the family and was likely known to them.


How did they get in? How did they know about the $118,000 Christmas bonus? How did he get JonBenet out of bed without Burke knowing?


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The one you mentioned, or parents covering up a son's crime by strangling AND penetrating their daughter? Think about that for a minute.

Parents will do anything to save a child ( Burke). It wasn't thought out it was done on spur of moment.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20101 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:16 am to
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Burke as the killer and Patsy writing the demand letter.


Gun to my head, this is what I'm guessing. Then the dad was complicit in the coverup.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20101 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:17 am to
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It’s certainly the most plausible theory to me.

From what I remember, I think it’s likely that the mother wrote the ransom note.

And the window in which the supposed intruder entered had undisturbed spider webs in the corners of the open window, basically proving nobody went through that window.

The bowl of pineapple was only partially eaten, suggesting the kids were interrupted. And JonBenet had a piece of pineapple in her system.

The theory goes that Burke was eating his bowl of pineapple like he did every night, JonBenet came by and stole a piece of his pineapple and ate it. Burke got made and chased her around the house with a flashlight that was on the table, and hit her with it, which killed her. The parents then staged it to make it look like an intruder killed her.



All of this.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20101 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:22 am to
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Burke was 9 at the time, and the minimum age for criminal responsibility in Colorado is 10. It may have been lower in 1996, but if not they couldn't have obtained a conviction of any kind because they couldn't have even charged him with a crime in the first place.



It still ruins his life and follows him everywhere forever. The guy who murdered his sister. If they hide it, he just has to deal with it internally and I think they basically brainwashed him into thinking he didn't do anything. Think like a reverse false confession through interrogation. Adults can be convinced something happened that didn't, it would be very easy to do with a 9 year old.

Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7960 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:26 am to
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Look, I get why people want to think it was family. Most of us have kids. It's easier to think it was some insane thing that happened from within. The alternative is to be reminded that there ARE some sick people in this world that would harm our children on a whim and an opportunity. Just do a search of how many sex offenders are in a 5 mile radius of your own home. It's terrifying.



I'd be willing to accept this if the parents didn't act so frickin weird toward the police, the media, etc..
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15793 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:36 am to
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still ruins his life and follows him everywhere forever.


The people saying he couldn't have been criminally charged due to being 9 are conveniently leaving out that he still wouldn't have been allowed to just live his life with his parents as he had been. They still would have lost him to a mental institution.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79390 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:36 am to
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If the ransom was real, why the frick did you call the police instead of going take out 118k when John was supposedly a millionaire


You’re supposed to go to the police.

Posted by schatman
Montana
Member since Nov 2018
2958 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:42 am to
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How did they get in? How did they know about the $118,000 Christmas bonus? How did he get JonBenet out of bed without Burke knowing?


Wasn't there a Christmas party? They probably "went to the bathroom" and unlocked an easily-accessed window somewhere in the house.
118,000 is a good question- but John immediately told the cops that this was the amount of his bonus when they were reading the ransom note. Why draw attention if you're covering something up?

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Parents will do anything to save a child ( Burke). It wasn't thought out it was done on spur of moment.


Yeah, count me as one of the guys that might do a lot to keep a child out of trouble, but to NOT sexually penetrate and garotte my other dying child to do so.

If they wanted to cover it up, they would've taken the body and dumped it elsewhere before they even called the cops.
Posted by DarthTiger
Member since Sep 2005
3268 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:51 am to
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This post was edited on 3/14/21 at 10:35 pm
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