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Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
you are the leftist in this scenario. the constitution is clearly in favor of my position.
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The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you. It has been most visibly tested in a series of cases involving terrorism, but much more often figures in cases that involve (for example) jury selection or the protection of witnesses, including victims of sex crimes as well as witnesses in need of protection from retaliation.
your hate of George Floyd has you willing to throw out the 6th amendment.
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:38 pm to Corinthians420
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Fun Bunch I'm gonna need to see your credentials before I trust you that 11mg of fentanyl wouldve been lethal for floyd without Chauvin's presence
holy fricking shite people it wasn't 11 mg of fentanyl
if Floyd had 11 mg in his system, we would have never known his name because he would have been dead long before he had any police interaction
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:40 pm to Salmon
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11 ng is 0.000011 mg
just wanted to clarify this since the OP and others in this thread don't seem to care about this small detail
What if George Floyd had a million liters of blood, instead of the normal 5? Then who has 11mg of fentanyl in their system
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
If Floyd actually took 11 mg of fentanyl, he would've been dead in seconds
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:41 pm to Salmon
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holy fricking shite people it wasn't 11 mg of fentanyl
Eh, you can't argue science with retards.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:41 pm to sta4ever
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Pot, meet kettle.
Really? I have not made one assertion as to the quality of either man's character. I am simply looking at the available information and determining that Chauvin did not intentionally cause this man to die. He did not make a decision to use a weapon, he did what he felt was right based upon the training he was given. If the arrestee died due to this then systemic racism existed in the policy because it did not account for a black man with a lifelong drug habit to be restrained in the way he was restrained
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:42 pm to McMahonnequin
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If Floyd actually took 11 mg of fentanyl, he would've been dead in seconds
Which is why I didn't say that.
I posted "ng". So you're talking to the wrong person I guess?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:42 pm to 75503Tiger
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I am simply looking at the available information and determining that Chauvin did not intentionally cause this man to die.
this is true.
but negligence didn't help him on the manslaughter charge
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The second-degree manslaughter charge alleged Chauvin caused Floyd’s death by “culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm.”
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:44 pm to RollTide1987
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The coroner testified against this very possibility at trial. There was no damage to Floyd’s throat.
How this bit has been completely and totally ignored is just beyond me.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:45 pm to Corinthians420
I dont give a shite about George Floyd, he threw away his own life. I do care about suspects dying while in the hands of our police force that are capable of making mistakes just as every other human. that is the reason everyone in this country has the right a fair trial. If you excuse Chauvin for his role in this, that is a step towards eroding our right to a trial.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:48 pm to Corinthians420
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that is the reason everyone in this country has the right a fair trial
hmmm…
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:48 pm to CatfishJohn
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Floyd would not have died without the police doing that to him.
There coroner also refuted this claim.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:50 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Does this mindset also apply to regular civilians?
Like can we sacrifice one every now and then because of the transgressions of other people??
normal people don't have qualified immunity
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:50 pm to LegendInMyMind
And I'll go ahead and say again that if actual justice existed in this country Floyd would still be safe, sound, and alive in prison today. His victim didn't get justice. frick him.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:52 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Eh, you can't argue science with retards.
Your side argues that there’s more than one gender, or that you can wake up on a random Monday and decide that you can switch genders
The hypocrisy
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:52 pm to LegendInMyMind
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How this bit has been completely and totally ignored is just beyond me.
Probably because like the rest of OPs case, it's twisted facts and bullshite.
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The medical examiner who conducted the state’s autopsy on George Floyd stopped short on Friday of backing other expert witnesses at Derek Chauvin’s murder trial who testified that Floyd was asphyxiated under the knee of the accused former police officer.
Dr Andrew Baker told the court that the police pinning the 46-year-old Black man to the ground was “just more than Mr Floyd could take” by making it hard for him to breathe, causing stress hormones that worsened a heart condition and led to his death.
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Baker classified the death as a homicide, which he said in a medical context meant that it resulted from the actions of a person or persons but did not imply any criminal action.
Asked by the prosecution if he stood by that, Baker replied: “I would still classify it as a homicide today.”
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Baker said that the heart disease and presence of illicit drugs – the powerful opioid fentanyl and methamphetamine – in Floyd’s system may have been contributory factors to the cardiopulmonary arrest but that he would not have died from them at that point if it had not been for the additional factor of the police intervention.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:53 pm to LegendInMyMind
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And I'll go ahead and say again that if actual justice existed in this country Floyd would still be safe, sound, and alive in prison today. His victim didn't get justice. frick him.
if Justice existed Floyd would have never gotten out of prison to begin with.
He held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly in a robbery.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:54 pm to 75503Tiger
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I am simply looking at the available information and determining that Chauvin did not intentionally cause this man to die.
And the judges, jury, and most everyone would agree with you too. But it doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or unintentional, someone died under the responsibility of Derek Chauvin, and he has to be held accountable for his actions. It’s the same way at work, in vehicle accidents, everywhere in life. That’s why he was charged with unintentional 2nd and 3rd degree murder.
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He did not make a decision to use a weapon, he did what he felt was right based upon the training he was given. If the arrestee died due to this then systemic racism existed in the policy because it did not account for a black man with a lifelong drug habit to be restrained in the way he was restrained
Problem is, he didn’t go by the training. Training doesn’t say to pin someone down to the ground, with your knee, for more than 9 minutes. And I can guarantee you, that there is protocol in place, for what to do if EMS is delayed. No way does the training or books say to pin someone down until EMS is there, and even if so, it wouldn’t make sense to pin someone down with excessive force, and then just immediately give them up to EMS. That person would be too dangerous to hand over to EMS.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 2:54 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Your side argues that there’s more than one gender, or that you can wake up on a random Monday and decide that you can switch genders
Well this is certainly embarrassing. I've never once said that and certainly don't believe it. I suspect your little walnut sized brain just assumed this.
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