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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/16/21 at 2:24 pm to greygoose
Posted on 4/16/21 at 2:24 pm to greygoose
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Seems to me, Floyd took the fentanyl/meth combo, exerted his self fighting with the cops in the car, heart rate goes up due to exertion, 90% occluded coronary artery, has sudden cardiac arrest.
So you’re saying his heart stopped during the video, but from natural disease and not due to any degree of asphyxia? And that the oxygen saturation is evidence that he didn’t have decreased oxygenation during the restraint but rather a cardiac arrest?
I’m just trying to make sure I understand your point.
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Hell, people die of heart attacks in their sleep all the time due to untreated sleep apnea.
Yes, they do, and it’s often related to decreased oxygen levels while they sleep. It’s a scary disease.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 2:25 pm
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Posted on 4/16/21 at 2:43 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:Effects of narcotics and physical exertion. What scientific fact points directly to asphyxia during restraint? Dr. Fowler stated "undetermined" as the cause, which seems the most prudent conclusion, considering the conflicting evidence such as ABG results, and GF repeatedly saying he could not breath before being placed on the ground in the prone position.
So you’re saying his heart stopped during the video, but from natural disease and not due to any degree of asphyxia? And that the oxygen saturation is evidence that he didn’t have decreased oxygenation during the restraint but rather a cardiac arrest?
I’m just trying to make sure I understand your point.
Knowing what we do know, heart disease, narcotics in his system, in detox from a prior overdose mere weeks before, GF's own statements and actions before being restrained, is it your opinion that the restraint was the chief cause of death? If you are on the jury, are you willing to send someone to prison knowing all of these things?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 3:05 pm to greygoose
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Effects of narcotics and physical exertion. What scientific fact points directly to asphyxia during restraint?
There are no scientific facts for asphyxia other than interpretation of the video by the medical examiners. There are no scientific facts for a heart attack or fentanyl overdose either and thousands of people walking around every day with higher fentanyl levels and worse coronary arteries. People survive knees on their necks, they survive fentanyl, and they survive coronary artery disease and enlarged hearts. Could each or all of these things contributed to GF’s death that day? Absolutely, and they all likely did to varying degrees.
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Knowing what we do know, heart disease, narcotics in his system, in detox from a prior overdose mere weeks before, GF's own statements and actions before being restrained, is it your opinion that the restraint was the chief cause of death?
I don’t think restraint was the chief cause of death, but I do think it contributed to death and the manner was correctly ruled a homicide by the medical examiner with jurisdiction.
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If you are on the jury, are you willing to send someone to prison knowing all of these things?
In this case, I wasn’t convinced that what Chauvin did was so outside of police norms that he necessarily deserves jail time from it regardless of the cause of death. Unfortunately for him, however, he put himself in a position where people are now micro analyzing his actions in slow motion. People occasionally die from restraint in medical settings as well, but most people would be against charging the hospital staff and would view it as more or an accident or consequence of someone being restrained for their own safety. Because Chauvin is a police officer, he is obviously being judged more harshly in today’s world.
I would vote to acquit or at most the second degree manslaughter charge.
I don’t envy cops, they have a tough job that’s almost near impossible in some parts of the country now.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 4:09 pm to greygoose
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It's not. No way to get the lungs to perfuse O2 into the bloodstream without circulation.
Well the Lucas device is pretty good at providing some circulation, but no way it’s that good
Posted on 4/16/21 at 4:21 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Well the Lucas device is pretty good at providing some circulation, but no way it’s that good
It’s easier to replace pulmonary circulation than systemic circulation.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:39 pm to Yellerhammer5
Anything new on the trial today? Has the defense rested?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Because the goal is to create reasonable doubt.
It’s just one more chink in the armor. The defense said CO could have contributed, not been responsible for his death.
Who was responsible for George Floyd breathing in CO2?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:49 pm to supadave3
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Anything new on the trial today? Has the defense rested?
Nothing new today. Closing arguments are on Monday.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:52 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Nothing new today. Closing arguments are on Monday.
So case to the jury mid Tuesday afternoon? Rouge estimate?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 9:54 pm to supadave3
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So case to the jury mid Tuesday afternoon? Rouge estimate?
jury should get the case Monday afternoon... first thing Tuesday morning at the latest, no?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:42 pm to The Boat
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Who was responsible for George Floyd breathing in CO2?
That would be George Floyd.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 10:54 pm to Yellerhammer5
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Nothing new today. Closing arguments are on Monday.
Which side goes first?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:00 pm to momentoftruth87
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Which side goes first?
State-->defense-->state again with the last word
Thus defense must rebut state's first round closing as well as do best to predict and address state's final word in its closing rebuttal.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:08 pm to BatonScrewedTiger
If it was CO poisoning he would not have had that O2 sat level. CO replaces the O2 in your red blood cells, it takes a while to for it to go away and allow O2 to bind with the cells again. That is one of the reasons CO poisoning is so deadly, you just get sleepy and eventually pass out and die. It is also not quickly reversible and just giving oxygen doesn’t magically make it go away.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:13 pm to td1
I haven’t followed this at all but can someone let me know if I should go buy ammo this weekend? What’s the consensus on how this will go down?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:17 pm to DallasTiger11
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I haven’t followed this at all but can someone let me know if I should go buy ammo this weekend? What’s the consensus on how this will go down?
Some would say that your unmitigated ability to purchase readily available ammo of the sort that you're probably talking about is over with forever.
I sure hope not because I may or may not have failed to heed the prior warnings regarding such.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:47 pm to DallasTiger11
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I haven’t followed this at all but can someone let me know if I should go buy ammo this weekend? What’s the consensus on how this will go down?
You're about one week and eight months too late on buying ammo
Posted on 4/17/21 at 12:03 am to jaytothen
Ha so true
Posted on 4/17/21 at 11:41 am to momentoftruth87
Someone on the OT posted that schools there will be closed Wed, Thurs, Fri. They're prepping.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 1:44 pm to tiger91
Bump for poster who asked about where this thread is.
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