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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:25 pm to
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:25 pm to
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Which is?


medicine, but tell me more about EMT training
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 7:26 pm
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:27 pm to
I am going to take the fact that you are being vague and evasive about this to mean you are in med school at best.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:27 pm to
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Overdose deaths depend on toxicology findings as well as correlation with information from the scene (especially due to confounding issues with tox testing such as postmortem redistribution and tolerance). The footage of Floyd prior to death will be central to the case much more so than the particular numerical value detected in blood

This is a good thing to keep in mind.



yea its a good thing to keep in mind, if you completely ignore this was accounted for by 3 medical examiners who determined the death was homicide
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:28 pm to
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... you realize a man can still asphyxiate to death like that. If your chest can't expand, you can't breathe regardless of how comfortable your neck may be. Your argument might be relevant if Floyds lungs were in his neck.
Do you realize that it is impossible to speak if you can not breath?
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24240 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:29 pm to
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medicine, but tell me more about EMT training

Well it is significantly more than you've provided.

How many people trained in "medicine" were on that scene?
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5111 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:30 pm to
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well none of his drug concentrations were eyebrow raising high.
with weed users, tolerance of opioids is higher, but meh in this context.
meth - admittedly not the best combination, but his blood levels were not insane high, roughly what youd expect for a recreational user.
other than that its caffiene and metabolites of the above.
I mean its clear he wasn't sober and it couldn't have helped his situation but 3/3 medical examiners agreed it was an asphyxiation related homicide, not overdose.

folks here get all emotional believing random shite about floyds drug levels while not even knowing there is a difference in dose and blood concentration and ng vs mg. weird you aren't grilling those posters on why they are so confident it was OD and only possibly an OD.



Well this is just some downright disingenuous bullshite.


LINK
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Blood concentrations of approximately 7 ng/ml or greater have been associated with fatalities where poly-substance use was involved.



11 ng/ml is, in fact, eyebrow raising high. Hell, given the potency and potential lethality ANY amount of recreational fentanyl use is cause for alarm.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24240 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:34 pm to
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Well this is just some downright disingenuous bullshite.

Exactly. This dude is mad as frick he can't follow along during the day in his shitty job with no computer or phone and has gotten on here 2 nights in a row to try and troll.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27784 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:34 pm to
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You do not know this.


You’re right. The possibility of eating a bag of fentanyl changes it for me. If you can prove it somehow. Chauvin is an idiot and and a-hole =\= murderer.

Gotta convince a jury that this happened though because....

quote:

reasonable doubt"?


There is none. He kneeled on him for 8-9 minutes. That’s what he is “accused “ of. He did that! Whether it was murder is the sticking point.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44908 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:34 pm to
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11 ng/ml


How do you pronounce that? The way I say it in my heat can’t be right.
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
13437 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:35 pm to
Have not been keeping up with the news but if I wanted to watch 30-45 mins of tv a night to follow this trial what show do you recommend I record? Please don’t say cnn or Fox. Dish Network btw.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Tbonepatron
Member since Aug 2013
8462 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:35 pm to
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medicine


I too have read the labels on ibuprofen and acetaminophen.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:35 pm to
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I am going to take the fact that you are being vague and evasive about this to mean you are in med school at best.



or I just dont care to give real info out online forums. Assume what you want about me, but it doesn't change any of the facts.
Besides If the knowing the credentials are so important just forget about me and argue with experts the 3 expert medical examiners who all reported the same thing I am saying, the death was an asphixiation homicide.
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:35 pm to
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
24078 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:35 pm to
Nanograms per milliliter?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75157 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:37 pm to
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the 3 expert medical examiners who all reported the same thing I am saying, the death was an asphixiation homicide.

I will ask you again, what do you make of one of the same expert medical examiners saying, on the record, that Floyd had a likely lethal amount of Fentanyl in his system and that if he had been found anywhere else, such as at home, his death would have likely been ruled an overdose?

He said that on the record, and that will eventually be a problem for the prosecution.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 7:38 pm
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:38 pm to
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Well it is significantly more than you've provided.

How many people trained in "medicine" were on that scene?



you think EMTs get more training than physicians
Posted by ColoradoTiger1987
Tampa
Member since Jan 2019
1645 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:39 pm to
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Other names China White, Synthetic Heroin, Drop Dead, Flatline, Lethal Injection, Apache, China Girl, Chinatown, Dance Fever, Great Bear, Poison, Tango & Cash, TNT. Perc-o-Pops and Lollipops are street names for Actiq®.


Time to cancel Fentanyl.
Posted by gizmothepug
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2015
8665 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:44 pm to
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3 expert medical examiners


I wonder if those 3 medical examiners will say that he put himself in the situation that ultimately lead to his death? I don’t know if that cop purposely killed him but I do know he put himself in that position because he was a dope head, simple as that. The world should be a better place without him but sadly we know that’s not the case.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35425 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:44 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 5:07 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24240 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:45 pm to
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quote:
reasonable doubt"?

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There is none

Lol you haven't even heard the defense witnesses and this is your conclusion. Ok, you just pegged yourself as being not credible from here on out.

At least I asked a fricking question on the things I didn't know.
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