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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:08 pm to AMS
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:08 pm to AMS
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you think EMTs get more training than physicians
Well, no. My significantly more than you've provided was in reference to you saying you're trained in "medicine".
So following this, are you saying you're a physician?
Keep in mind, you've been asked this multiple times by multiple posters and have been vague and evasive in your answers.
So, are you a trained physician? Yes or no? Very simple.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:10 pm to AMS
You're committed, I will give you that.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:12 pm to AMS
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I stated I was trained in medicine. sorry if it was not clear to mean physician.
Plus my claims are not bold other than 'he would have gotten off the table and walked out of surgery' claim. Aside from that with I share the consensus of all 3 medical examiners who ran tests and examined the body.
I mean, more evasiveness.
Are you certified by any of the 50 United States to practice medicine?
Yes or no?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:12 pm to AMS
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If he's found home alone with drugs in his system and no other signs that point to a cause of death yes, you probably rule it an OD.
Don’t get fricked up on enough shite to kill a horse and don’t put yourself in a situation where the cops are called.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:12 pm to CptRusty
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But does this really qualify you to completely rule out an overdose based on the toxicology report?
no I also considered context of events, namely the prolonged apparent asphyxiation event.
look the drugs didn't help, his behavior didn't help, but with the context those were pretty clear to be backseat to the homicide. Which is why all 3 examiners decided it was a homicide via asphyxiation.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:14 pm to IAmNERD
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Are you certified by any of the 50 United States to practice medicine?
Yes or no?
Answer the question.
It doesn't dox you.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:14 pm to AMS
LsuERDOC has posted before about recurring users he sees. That he can see someone with an insane BAC that should kill someone. But that user also possesses the ability to process toxic levels at supersonic speed and be back to reasonable levels in short time frames. I think he quoted 0.4+ bac down to normal in a couple-few hours
Is it possible the level peaked significantly higher and his body was able to process it to a much lower level before the toxicology?
Is it possible the level peaked significantly higher and his body was able to process it to a much lower level before the toxicology?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:15 pm to AMS
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but with the context those were pretty clear to be backseat to the homicide.
What homicide?
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Which is why all 3 examiners decided it was a homicide via asphyxiation.
No, the ones who were paid for by the family to give a certain answer are the ones who determined that.
You can't handle the facts so you cling to lies and bullshite hoping nobody will call you out for it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:16 pm to Winston Cup
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Is it possible the level peaked significantly higher and his body was able to process it to a much lower level before the toxicology?
Which is what I was asking earlier.
You just put it much more succinct and with better grammar.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
Can we update the OP with cliffs?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:18 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
LINK
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Following a press conference on June 1 about the second autopsy, Baden admitted that portions of Floyd's organs were indeed missing, and that he didn't have access to the results from toxicology testing. Soon after, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner issued a press release, and subsequent to that, the full autopsy report, which indicated that the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression," and that the manner of death was homicide. They listed arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use as other significant conditions contributing to death.
This means that Floyd stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating (cardiopulmonary arrest) because of the injury caused by his restraint in the custody of law enforcement officers, to include asphyxia from neck compression. Asphyxia means that there is a lack of oxygen going to the brain. It can happen from obstruction of the airway, restriction of breathing from compression of the neck or chest, or the prevention of blood flow to the brain by collapsing the blood vessels in the neck. It can also happen from the replacement of oxygen in the blood by carbon monoxide, or depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere, like in a fire. "Cardiopulmonary arrest" is not a heart attack. Online sources that imply that the medical examiner is covering up George Floyd's death by calling it a "heart attack" are wrong.
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A short bystander video from another perspective shows three police officers kneeling on Floyd while another stands at his head. They appear to be exerting pressure on his neck, torso, left (still handcuffed) arm, and legs. Pressure on the torso can limit chest rise, and added pressure on other parts of the body can decrease cardiac return (the volume of blood coming back from the limbs).
Looking at a longer, unedited bystander video posted on Facebook, the first thing I notice is that Floyd's voice sounds gravelly, and he repeatedly says, "I can't breathe." EMS and police are sometimes trained that anyone who says "I can't breathe" is lying -- because if you can speak, you can breathe. This is not true, and there are many reasons why people might say "I can't breathe" and still be in medical distress. These reasons include increasing fatigue of respiratory muscles; blockage of pulmonary blood flow; incomplete airway obstruction; and acidosis, a buildup of acid in the blood which triggers an increased breathing rate and causes the sensation of shortness of breath.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:19 pm to LSUmajek
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cliffs?
AMS claiming to be better than all us plebs because he's "trained in medicine".
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:19 pm to AMS
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Which is why all 3 examiners decided it was a homicide via asphyxiation.
You actually believe that?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:20 pm to AMS
Ok so we can’t rule out overdose. Got it.
Now, did Derek Chauvin act in a manner inconsistent with Minneapolis PD training?
Now, did Derek Chauvin act in a manner inconsistent with Minneapolis PD training?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:20 pm to IAmNERD
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Or....
You're lying you're arse off and hope people don't realize the technical definition of homicide.
I pray they realize they know the technical definition of homicide because it shows how idiotic the OD talking point is. It means 1 person caused another's death. An OD does not fit this application.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:22 pm to IAmNERD
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Are you certified by any of the 50 United States to practice medicine?
Yes or no?
Answer the question.
It doesn't fix you.
holy shite. relax if I don't get to your posts instantly. that wasnt evasive I answered his question. yes, certified. please tell me more about your EMT credentials and how that makes you more qualified or knowledgeable than the 3 medical examiners who disagree with you.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:22 pm to AMS
Would the death happened without drugs inside Floyd’s system? Or were the drugs a catalyst of the death?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:22 pm to IAmNERD
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AMS claiming to be better than all us plebs because he's "trained in medicine".
No just better than the tard who claimed his EMT training is better than medical training.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:23 pm to Northshore Saint
Where does it say homicide?
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FINAL DIAGNOSES:
46-year-old man who became unresponsive while being restrained by law
enforcement officers; he received emergency medical care in the field
and subsequently in the Hennepin HealthCare (HHC) Emergency
Department, but could not be resuscitated.
I. Blunt force injuries
A. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the forehead, face, and
upper lip
B. Mucosal injuries of the lips
C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands,
elbows, and legs
D. Patterned contusions (in some areas abraded) of the wrists,
consistent with restraints (handcuffs)
II. Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension
C. Left pelvic tumor (incidental, see microscopic description)
George Floyd
20-3700
Page 2
III. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
IV. Viral testing (Minnesota Department of Health, postmortem nasal
swab collected 5/26/2020): positive for 2019-nCoV RNA by PCR
(see ‘Comments,’ below)
V. Hemoglobin S quantitation (postmortem femoral blood, HHC
Laboratory): 38% (see ‘Comments,’ below)
VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)
A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone
C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:25 pm to CptRusty
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Now, did Derek Chauvin act in a manner inconsistent with Minneapolis PD training?
Yep
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