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re: Defense Attorneys, have you ever represented a client that you knew was a colossal POS?
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:14 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:14 am to Solo Cam
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You don't see the morality question of using legal loop holes to let guilty men walk free into our society?
Everyone deserves legal counsel as long as it's the state's job to prosecute citizens. How many people have been prosecuted with the DA knowing they were innocent? In the eyes of the state if a conviction can be garnered the case is worth prosecuting, regardless of guilt or innocence.
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Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:15 am to FAT SEXY
Devils Advocate was a good movie with this subplot
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:15 am to Sus-Scrofa
Most are scum of the earth. We watch 48 hour mystery and 2020 every week and just laugh at these obvious cases and how the lawyers spin it
One of them had the husbands DNA on the knife, history of abuse, google search history of displacing and cutting up a body, his tire marks at the scene of body, and a side piece which proved motive and the POS attorney was crying how innocent he was and how none of that proved anything
Any defense attorney will tell you it’s not their job to prove if they’re innocent or not, it’s their job to prove that the state does not have a good case against them. I don’t know how they sleep at night.
One of them had the husbands DNA on the knife, history of abuse, google search history of displacing and cutting up a body, his tire marks at the scene of body, and a side piece which proved motive and the POS attorney was crying how innocent he was and how none of that proved anything
Any defense attorney will tell you it’s not their job to prove if they’re innocent or not, it’s their job to prove that the state does not have a good case against them. I don’t know how they sleep at night.
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 8:17 am
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trials are not specifically about truth
You finally spoke the truth.
The primary goal in a trial is to stretch it out to maximize billable hours.
Everything else is secondary.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:24 am to FAT SEXY
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If so, how do you juggle morality with simply doing your job?
My wife was an attorney. Corporate but did some pro bono out of law school. I didn't understand how you could represent lowlifes. Her response was everyone deserves a good defense. She represented a death row guy. He still got the chair because he will guilty as sin.
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 8:35 am
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:24 am to RohanGonzales
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You finally spoke the truth. The primary goal in a trial is to stretch it out to maximize billable hours. Everything else is secondary.
Criminal defense attorneys in Louisiana are paid a flat fee. Going to trial is a money loser.
And this also ignores that 75-80% of all criminal defense representation is done by public defenders.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:26 am to dallastiger55
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Most are scum of the earth. We watch 48 hour mystery and 2020 every week and just laugh at these obvious cases and how the lawyers spin it
This thread in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:27 am to ChestRockwell
Lawyers are very self centered. But I have to hand it to them. As a group, they stick together to keep their profession profitable and to their advantage which many fields eat their own.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:31 am to Sus-Scrofa
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Morality in this situation is different for attorneys. The moral thing to do is give your client the best defense you can and force the state to make their case.
To put a finer point on it, back when I was a PD, saying you couldn’t handle a case because of the allegations was considered a moral failing on your part. It was extremely rare and something people apologized for.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:34 am to FAT SEXY
I think back to John Adams. Defense attorneys are people’s vanguard against the unchecked tyranny of the state.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:43 am to FAT SEXY
Kind of amazing that so much of the legal industry is based on the public's view of criminal defense.
15 years of practice, I personally know (ie, more than just an acquaintance) exactly 1 criminal defense attorney.
15 years of practice, I personally know (ie, more than just an acquaintance) exactly 1 criminal defense attorney.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:46 am to FAT SEXY
I would estimate over 80% of the people represented by defense attorneys are POS
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:48 am to ChestRockwell
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I dont know a lawyer who wasn't a colossal POS
How many lawyers do you know?
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:50 am to Pettifogger
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Kind of amazing that so much of the legal industry is based on the public's view of criminal defense. 15 years of practice, I personally know (ie, more than just an acquaintance) exactly 1 criminal defense attorney.
Blame TV.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:53 am to FAT SEXY
What could be worse than a colossal POS getting off on appeal because their lawyer didn't do his job?
Is it worse to have a guilty person walk or an innocent person convicted?
Is it worse to have a guilty person walk or an innocent person convicted?
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:54 am to Joshjrn
I was on a jury in a criminal case that included a school police officer diddling kids. In this case, these kids were 15-ish (4 of them), if matters. Officer would have them have sex in front oh him. Sex toys. BJs for him.
To say, also on jury with me was fella who was molested by a family member. In the jury selection process, these questions were asked. Yet, this fella was NOT filtered. He landed on jury.
Long story short of week long trial, and perp found guilty and got 43-years across the guilty charges.
Question: as a defense attorney, and in your heart of hearts, you believe your client deserves fair defense but do not believe they are innocent, do you think defense attorneys ever “go lazy” on things like jury selection?
To say, also on jury with me was fella who was molested by a family member. In the jury selection process, these questions were asked. Yet, this fella was NOT filtered. He landed on jury.
Long story short of week long trial, and perp found guilty and got 43-years across the guilty charges.
Question: as a defense attorney, and in your heart of hearts, you believe your client deserves fair defense but do not believe they are innocent, do you think defense attorneys ever “go lazy” on things like jury selection?
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:57 am to DevilDagNS
The reality is that the system if implemented correctly works fairly well. It's diluted and abused and whatnot, admittedly.
But I hold no ill will toward criminal defense guys who do it in a vacuum. They're playing a needed part of the system, they're a cog in a wheel (no disrespect).
The part that creates the problem for me is zealous advocacy. When I was a litigator, I hated showmanship, creating conflict for advantage, etc. I respect it, I did it, but it wasn't natural to me. On the criminal side - especially at lower levels - it seems so much worse.
But I hold no ill will toward criminal defense guys who do it in a vacuum. They're playing a needed part of the system, they're a cog in a wheel (no disrespect).
The part that creates the problem for me is zealous advocacy. When I was a litigator, I hated showmanship, creating conflict for advantage, etc. I respect it, I did it, but it wasn't natural to me. On the criminal side - especially at lower levels - it seems so much worse.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:58 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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Question: as a defense attorney, and in your heart of hearts, you believe your client deserves fair defense but do not believe they are innocent, do you think defense attorneys ever “go lazy” on things like jury selection?
To answer what I think is your question: I don’t believe attorneys intentionally throw cases. With that said, attorneys are on a bell curve like anyone else. Your good to great attorneys never phone it in. Your bad attorneys always phone it in. Your attorneys in the middle likely work harder on cases they “believe in” and don’t work as hard on cases they don’t, just following human nature.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 8:59 am to Joshjrn
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To put a finer point on it, back when I was a PD, saying you couldn’t handle a case because of the allegations was considered a moral failing on your part. It was extremely rare and something people apologized for.
This is lawyers making up their own ethics. Explain why lawyers chase cases and appeals of crimes that are caught on camera, and then appeal sentences? Please and thanks.
Posted on 3/26/26 at 9:00 am to Everyday Is Saturday
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To say, also on jury with me was fella who was molested by a family member. In the jury selection process, these questions were asked. Yet, this fella was NOT filtered. He landed on jury.
quote:played 3D chess
Question: as a defense attorney, and in your heart of hearts, you believe your client deserves fair defense but do not believe they are innocent, do you think defense attorneys ever “go lazy” on things like jury selection?
Went with the long shot percentage that folks that were diddled are more likely to become diddlers. Having a diddler in the jury box could have been a game changer when otherwise the defendant was cooked.
ETA: I’ve read nearly all of John Grisham’s books fwiw
This post was edited on 3/26/26 at 9:02 am
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